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turtlepi1
Joined: 15 Jun 2004
Location: Abu Dhabi, UAE
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 Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2004 3:22 pm Post subject: Re: eslcafe true colors shine bright |
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japan's system demands a lot more intelligence from teachers who teach there. |
Maybe you made some good points...I don't know...I stopped reading when I read this. Nova is one of the biggest employers in the ESL game in Japan. You need nothing more than a degree, light accent and a pulse to teach there. ( I could name other chains as well.)
Sure they don't pay for your apartment, but that is because they realize they can make a buck off it.
Employers owning the E2 is a bit of a problem in Korea..(maybe more than a bit...) but the purpose is that it makes the employer responsible for the employee...(whatever that is worth in reality...) |
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Daechidong Waygookin
Joined: 22 Nov 2004
Location: No Longer on Dave's. Ive quit.
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| Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2004 4:37 pm Post subject: Re: eslcafe true colors shine bright |
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| ChooChooPongPong wrote: |
legality is an issue that one should be careful with in korea. first of all, the laws are stupid, and korea is fighting a losing battle and screwing itself at both ends. the laws dont protect anything and, if anything, hold back the industry and keep it a hakwon system. japan's system demands a lot more intelligence from teachers who teach there. its not just getting on a plane and being dumped in your paid apartment like it is in korea. THAT is what is wrong with korea's system. anyone, and everyone, can come and teach here. and that is exactly how it is. if korea started to model japan's system half the teachers here now wouldnt be here, and our wages would be higher. but, the industry and market simply can't slow down for that. the hakwons are simply too greedy and slap happy and do you think your director has a problem with trappin you in an e-2? not at all most of the time.
i think teaching illegally is the way to go in korea if you do it wisely. i came here the traditional way via a hakwon three years ago, and it was a good way to break into things. my second year, i worked illegally on a tourist visa and made twice as much as i did in my first year, and i never had any problems with my bosses because i was independent. never forced into overtime, never had apartment problems, never had any pay problems. jobs were easy to get and a good reputation paved the way. the problems started when i took a job teaching mornings at an elementary through a recruiter who didnt pay on time. i simply told the school i was going to quit and magically they dropped the recruiter and paid me directly, and more.
that said, don't believe all you read. the numbers posted sound very unrealistic, and from what i have witnessed the recruiters cant take as huge a cut as we like to think.
all in all, the illegal teaching scene in korea is huge, and will continue to be huge, and it is the laws that are the problem, not the people breaking them. bad teachers dont get very far teaching illegally if the students etc. are unhappy from what i have seen. but a crappy teacher on an e-2 is another matter.
huge companies in korea, such as LG, Samsung etc. hire teachers illegally all the time and immigration doesn't go near them most of the time.
all in all, japan is a much better situation to be in for all parties. i hope korea moves toward that kind of market within the next ten years. the golden age has come and gone in korea. |
So now we just get to pick and choose which laws we want to follow and which ones we dont? What a novel approach to life. |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2004 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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chronicpride
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2004 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Daechidong Waygookin wrote: |
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| However, they obviously didnt do their homework. I would have smelled the rat in a second. |
Just curious, but what part would have tipped you off? |
Probably the illegal part. Like working in several locations without permission on my ARC. Workjing at a school where I dont have permission to work. For instance. |
Sorry, I haven't been following this story too closely, since the first bit of news came out, but can you direct me to the part where it was said that they didn't have permission on their ARCs? |
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Daechidong Waygookin
Joined: 22 Nov 2004
Location: No Longer on Dave's. Ive quit.
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| Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2004 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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| chronicpride wrote: |
| Daechidong Waygookin wrote: |
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| Daechidong Waygookin wrote: |
| However, they obviously didnt do their homework. I would have smelled the rat in a second. |
Just curious, but what part would have tipped you off? |
Probably the illegal part. Like working in several locations without permission on my ARC. Workjing at a school where I dont have permission to work. For instance. |
Sorry, I haven't been following this story too closely, since the first bit of news came out, but can you direct me to the part where it was said that they didn't have permission on their ARCs? |
If they had permission on their ARCs I suspect everything would be alright. If your workplace matches the address on your ARC you will be fine. These guys supposedly were farmed out to a bunch of places, not just one place. |
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chronicpride
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2004 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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| So would it be fair to say that it remains inconclusive if they had permission on their ARCs to work at multiple locations? |
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Barking Mad Lord Snapcase
Joined: 04 Nov 2003
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| Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2004 6:02 pm Post subject: Re: eslcafe true colors shine bright |
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| Daechidong Waygookin wrote: |
So now we just get to pick and choose which laws we want to follow and which ones we dont? What a novel approach to life. |
Have you ever eaten boshintang? It is illegal, you know. |
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fidel
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
Location: North Shore NZ
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| Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2004 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Have you ever eaten boshintang? It is illegal, you know. |
Illegal? It was my understanding that the advertising for sale of Dog meat was illegal not the actual consumption. I could be wrong of course. |
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