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hellofaniceguy
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
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| Derrek wrote: |
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They won't, however, let a hagwon person on a hagwon E-2 go work for a University at the same time.
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Beg to differ Derrek...been there...done that. In my passport is a stamp from immigration allowing me to teach at a national university. I was at a hakwon who was the sponsor and where I was working....I was asked if I wanted a part time gig at the university...jumped on it of course. Hakwon submitted the paperwork to immigration...got a stamp...additional place of employment....placed in my passport and endorced on my immigration ID card.
Taught at the university in the AM and at the hakwon in the PM for a year then accepted the university position full time after the hakwon contract expired. I know of two others also who had the same thing. |
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harixseldon
Joined: 27 Nov 2004
Location: Anseong
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| Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2004 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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| J.B. Clamence wrote: |
| OK, getting back to the tatoo issue, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect a teacher to cover their tatoos while teaching, especially if they're teaching kids, and especially in a place like Korea where only gangsters have tatoos. However, it's not just a Korean thing. There are a lot of jobs back home that would not let you get away with exposed tatoos. That's why I got mine on my shoulder so I could hide it in almost all situations, and expose it only when I wanted to. |
Agreed. Except no one told me it was a problem until now. Not when they saw them at the beginning of my time here or anytime up to this point. I wear a dress shirt to work, my tattoos are covered 98% of the time, the other 2% being when I sit or stand in a way that my colar opens up. My opinion is that it was really just an excuse because classes haven't been going well. |
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turtlepi1
Joined: 15 Jun 2004
Location: Abu Dhabi, UAE
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| Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2004 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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| harixseldon wrote: |
Agreed. Except no one told me it was a problem until now. Not when they saw them at the beginning of my time here or anytime up to this point. I wear a dress shirt to work, my tattoos are covered 98% of the time, the other 2% being when I sit or stand in a way that my colar opens up. My opinion is that it was really just an excuse because classes haven't been going well. |
It is probably a bit of both...the classes aren't going well and some kid told his parents you were a gangster and made him pee his pants...
If a director thinks you are great then the tats probably wouldn't be a make or break issue but where you didn't end up being his "superstar" he likely decided to pull the plug while he could get a new "whitey" for free. (recruiter fees) |
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harixseldon
Joined: 27 Nov 2004
Location: Anseong
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| Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2004 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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| turtlepi1 wrote: |
It is probably a bit of both...the classes aren't going well and some kid told his parents you were a gangster and made him pee his pants...
If a director thinks you are great then the tats probably wouldn't be a make or break issue but where you didn't end up being his "superstar" he likely decided to pull the plug while he could get a new "whitey" for free. (recruiter fees) |
You're right. The director and his wife came over a little while ago to talk. No mention of my tattoos. Kids parents were pulling them from the class because it was boring (meaning I was actually trying to teach). The director felt I don't have enough experience yet to deal with these kids, which I sort of agree with, and they haven't ever dealt with a foreigner before.
No hard feelings really. I liked the director and his family and a lot of the kids but I got basically no support in my teaching so maybe this is for the best. I feel I learned a lot about teaching here from this experience that I'll be able to apply at the job in Seoul. |
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prosodic
Joined: 21 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2004 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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| harixseldon wrote: |
| turtlepi1 wrote: |
It is probably a bit of both...the classes aren't going well and some kid told his parents you were a gangster and made him pee his pants...
If a director thinks you are great then the tats probably wouldn't be a make or break issue but where you didn't end up being his "superstar" he likely decided to pull the plug while he could get a new "whitey" for free. (recruiter fees) |
You're right. The director and his wife came over a little while ago to talk. No mention of my tattoos. Kids parents were pulling them from the class because it was boring (meaning I was actually trying to teach). The director felt I don't have enough experience yet to deal with these kids, which I sort of agree with, and they haven't ever dealt with a foreigner before.
No hard feelings really. I liked the director and his family and a lot of the kids but I got basically no support in my teaching so maybe this is for the best. I feel I learned a lot about teaching here from this experience that I'll be able to apply at the job in Seoul. |
Did they give you 30 days notice or equivalent cash compensation? If not, you can bring a suit to the labor board. |
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W.T.Carl
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| The bottom line is that you were loosing students. You were costing him money. Tattoos may be "cool" in the west, but in Korea and Japan (at least in the near past), the only people who had them were gangsters. |
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Blind Willie
Joined: 05 May 2004
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| harixseldon wrote: |
You're right. The director and his wife came over a little while ago to talk. No mention of my tattoos. Kids parents were pulling them from the class because it was boring (meaning I was actually trying to teach). The director felt I don't have enough experience yet to deal with these kids, which I sort of agree with, and they haven't ever dealt with a foreigner before.
No hard feelings really. I liked the director and his family and a lot of the kids but I got basically no support in my teaching so maybe this is for the best. I feel I learned a lot about teaching here from this experience that I'll be able to apply at the job in Seoul. |
This sounds familiar. And it's lilkely it wont change in a new hagwon.
Despite it all, you're little more than the white advertisment for the hagwon. The real teaching gets done by the Korean teachers (Usually, I've worked with a few gold-brickers)
If you can learn to play office politics, and how to maintain a balance between demeaning yourself to keep the kids and having some pride at the end of the day because you managed to sneak some education in there, then you can do well in the hagwon world.
And really, once you get it figured out, hagown work is dead easy stuff. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Your visa can't be transferred. You must be released from your contract and make a visa run to work somewhere else. |
It can. I had it done. You don't need to make a visa run. As long as your original school agrees to let you go, you can transfer your visa to a new school. You get the balance of the visa. You don't get an automatic one year. If you have 3 months left, the visa at the new school is good for 3 months. |
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mishlert
Joined: 13 Mar 2003
Location: On the 3rd rock from the sun
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| Some people here have claimed to have done this. |
I know somone who did, but he told me, " . . .and the envolope my boss gave the guy was so obvious that it should have had big, bright neon sign saying, 'This is a bribe'". |
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turtlepi1
Joined: 15 Jun 2004
Location: Abu Dhabi, UAE
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Harixseldon:
Are you in the new job yet? |
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harixseldon
Joined: 27 Nov 2004
Location: Anseong
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| Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 1:23 am Post subject: |
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Harixseldon:
Are you in the new job yet? |
Not yet. I'm finishing out this week at the old job. I'll be moving on Saturday. I had an "interview" with a teacher at the new school and it seems to be pretty decent. All in all I think this turned out for the best because I'm at my wits end with some of the kids at this job. |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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Sounds like a blessing in disguise for you seldon.
I have a tat on my upper arm, its a real pain to have to wear the long sleeved shirts constantly, especially in summer.
I've exlplained time and again that a tattoo is just body decoration, part of our culture. But I get the whole gangster teacher thing happening whenever they glimpse it as well. Stupid.. |
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harixseldon
Joined: 27 Nov 2004
Location: Anseong
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Sounds like a blessing in disguise for you seldon.
I have a tat on my upper arm, its a real pain to have to wear the long sleeved shirts constantly, especially in summer.
I've exlplained time and again that a tattoo is just body decoration, part of our culture. But I get the whole gangster teacher thing happening whenever they glimpse it as well. Stupid.. |
I agree with both comments. Haha.
I'm going to be more careful at the next job, make sure I wear a shirt under my dress shirt or button the colar all the way to the top.
I'm heavily tattooed, 3/4 sleave on my left arm, 1/2 sleave including elbow on my right arm, full chest tattoo, etc. I've gotten negative attention before in the States but never called a biker which I guess is the US equivalent of thinking only gangsters have tattoos. I understand in Japan that tattoos are still connected to the Yakuza but I had no idea before this that there was a stigma against them in Korea. I wish someone at work had said something to me a while ago, but I guess that's the Korean way...
Screw it, I feel like going to Japan and getting my leg finished anyways.  |
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ladyandthetramp
Joined: 21 Nov 2003
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| Your visa can't be transferred. You must be released from your contract and make a visa run to work somewhere else. |
That's what I thought too, but some posters have said that this is possible -- to have your visa transferred as long as you still have some time left on it and both employers agree to cooperate to get it done. Some people here have claimed to have done this. I can't remember where the thread was, though. |
I did it. As long as your visa isn't expired (or just about to), you can change places of employment. You need permission from your original place of employment and various documents (immigration can tell you) from both your previous and new place of employment. Of course you won't get severance if you leave before one year is up...you're at a new school! On the up side, you save money by not having to go on a visa run, and you can still renew your visa within the country.
I think most people/schools don't know about this, though... |
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hari seldon
Joined: 05 Dec 2004
Location: Incheon
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I'm sorry to hear about my "namesakes" job problems and I hope you settle into the new job smoothly. I don't share your affinity for tattoos, but I guess we're both non-conformists. If I wasn't the only North American teacher at my school, I'd probably be looking for work too because I refuse to use my school's garbage scow curriculum.  |
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