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jajdude



Joined: 18 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri Dec 31, 2004 6:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm teaching some stories and texts now that have many words and expressions that are totally foreign to the students. The Korean teacher does give them translation for some of this. I mainly try to see if they understand the general idea of the stuff. But sometimes they really seem to need the Korean words to understand. For example, it is pretty hard to explain, draw, or otherwise demonstrate words like the following:

stingy -- generous
even-tempered --- moody
sympathetic = "kind or caring"
sociable = "likes people, likes meeting people and making friends"
argumentative = "likes to argue" .... "What does argue mean?" --- "Uh, fighting when talking"

Well, when their level is really beneath the material they are using, it is hard for them to understand an explanation intended to simplify something.

I get annoyed when they give the students American texts/stories from their same age. One class read "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory." I think they might get the story idea, but the language was way over their heads.
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Badmojo



Joined: 07 Mar 2004
Location: I'm just sitting here watching the wheels go round and round

PostPosted: Sun Jan 02, 2005 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My two cents, or 15 won Cdn.

I never let my 10-12 year olds speak Korean in class, and I enforced it.

Why? First, I was taught not to. "The idea is to make them think in English." That's all good in theory, but I'm not sure 5 forty-five minute classes with me a week is going to accomplish that goal anyway. It's not like they're living in Canada.

Two, I can't speak nor do I understand Korean. So I wouldn't know what they're saying to each other. As a result, you do it in English or you don't do it all around me. My classroom was about the only place in Korea where I understood everything that was going on....

So, how helpful is it? It depends. If they're speaking more Korean than English, then something is wrong. But every once in a while in terms of explanation it certainly wouldn't hurt and I would certainly be a better teacher if I could use Korean to them during those occasions.

So I tend to think every once in a while it's not so bad. But then again, a teacher who occasionally uses Korean has a hard time justifying to his/her students that they should try to use English all the time.

And maybe therein lies a bit of the problem? Wink
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babtangee



Joined: 18 Dec 2004
Location: OMG! Charlie has me surrounded!

PostPosted: Mon Jan 03, 2005 1:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

d503 wrote:
Pure immersion learning is god awful for beginners, and no I don't think they are better in the long run. Learning a new language is a very daunting task, if you walk into it and find yourself adrift in words and grammar


Well, pretty senseless trying to teach beginners grammar. Nouns and Verbs ... these are easy to teach. Sure, they're gonna sound like two-year olds to begin with... but isn't that how WE learnt English? We picked up nouns and verbs, moved on to integrate adjective and adverbs...and, without thinking about it, modelled out grammar after those around us. We had an unconscious understanding of what sounded right well before they started teaching us grammar at school.

If a student is going to become truly fluent, they have to learn the same way. Grammar's for the advanced. If they are constantly conscious of their grammar every time they are trying to speak, naturally they are going to doubt themselves. There's just so many rules to consider in one sentence! And when they stop studying for a month they are doomed to forget (remember cramming for biol./chem. etc. exams? How much could you recall 2 months, 6 months, a year after the exam?!)

Teaching languages like it were a science is a losing battle. Now if I can just convince a hagwon that this is so... Laughing
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desultude



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf

PostPosted: Mon Jan 03, 2005 1:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I teach in an "English-only" program, and it works pretty well. You have to use your resources to get things across sometimes, but we are smart enough to do that, right?

I don't speak Korean well enough to help that way, anyway. The students having to speak in English really forces them to dig deep and produce language. It can be slow going at first, but most students soon figure out how to be funny and smart in English, and their humor is all the better for the errors.

I can see the use of some native language in some programs, but ours doesn't allow it, and this seems to work just fine.
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