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Grim Ja



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: On the Beach

PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 8:25 pm    Post subject: Millionaires Reply with quote

Is it possible to make and Save a million dollars while working and teaching in the EFL industry in Korea?
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eamo



Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.

PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like me, I expect you didn't do well in math class.
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kprrok



Joined: 06 Apr 2004
Location: KC

PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shocked ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Thanks. I needed a good laugh today! This did it! I owe you one.

Let's just check the math. If you were to make $50,000 a year (55 million won, 4.5 million per month or so), you'd have to work here 20 years to make a million dollars. To save that, count on double that long as most people save no more than 50% of their income.

If you make $40.000 a year (45 million won, 4 million per month), you'd have to work 25 years to make a million bucks. Of course, these figures are no exact, and would fluctuate for the exchange rate. But they're close.

So is it possible? I guess. But not many people are going to stick around long enough.

KPRROK
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Wangja



Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan

PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you mean at current values, not future values, unlikely. Unless you have more than 50 years ahead of you.

If you mean by future values, then yes, it is very possible.

If the US government continues its present fiscal policies, and the dollar continues its decline, there is a very good chance you could be a dollar millionaire in 10 years.

But that million will perhaps buy only 30% of what it would buy now .....
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riverboy



Joined: 03 Jun 2003
Location: Incheon

PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, but a million won is attainable.
I can sell you somegood real estate which will make you a Millionare. Just PM me for details.
(silly rabbit)
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weatherman



Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Over 40 years with some good but safe investments, you could come damn close, but you wouldn't be living large at all for the 40 years. With Two incomes and no kids, yes. But again, you wouldn't really be living large for 40 years.
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JongnoGuru



Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep

PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kprrok wrote:
If you make $40.000 a year (45 million won, 4 million per month), you'd have to work 25 years to make a million bucks. Of course, these figures are not exact, and would fluctuate for the exchange rate. But they're close.

So is it possible? I guess. But not many people are going to stick around long enough.

Nor is it a given the demand for ESL (EFL, whatever) teachers will remain as high, I would think.

Rejigger the question to reflect where the real money is: "How many Koreans (hagwon moguls, book & cassette publishers) have already become US-dollar millionaires from the EFL industry, despite an inability to string together two correct sentences in English?" The number may surprise you, as would the speed with which they earned their first cool million.
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itaewonguy



Joined: 25 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

you couldnt make it as a teacher!
but you could easily make it in the Business..
open a few home study classrooms get about 1000 students.. all paying
150.000 a month.. then its possible.. something like that..
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gmat



Joined: 29 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Grim Ja,

The answer is dependent on the rate of return on your savings/investments. Saving $1500 a month earning 12% pa would give you about $125,000 after 5 years. Not great , but not bad.

The key is to actually save, build up some capital which will allow you to take advantage of opportunities in the future that may lead to higher investment returns. Maybe a business, maybe real estate. But you need to have the capital to take advantage when the time comes, so save as much as you can while still living reasonably well.
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Rather_Dashing



Joined: 07 Sep 2004

PostPosted: Wed Jan 05, 2005 12:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wangja wrote:
If the US government continues its present fiscal policies, and the dollar continues its decline, there is a very good chance you could be a dollar millionaire in 10 years.


Bentley's second Law of Economics: The only thing more dangerous than an economist is an amateur economist!
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Wangja



Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan

PostPosted: Wed Jan 05, 2005 12:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

All amateurs on this board ol' bean ... let's chat again in a year or so, huh? Wink
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Rather_Dashing



Joined: 07 Sep 2004

PostPosted: Wed Jan 05, 2005 12:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wangja wrote:
All amateurs on this board ol' bean ... let's chat again in a year or so, huh? Wink


It's probably because I'm horribly tired, but I have no idea what you're talking about. Embarassed
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dutchman



Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: My backyard

PostPosted: Wed Jan 05, 2005 12:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes. It's possible. I'm confident my wife and I could reach a million US if we contiunued doing what we are doing for ten more years. But that would mean a total of 20 years in Korea for me. Not worth it.

I'm pretty confident we can also save a million US in the US. We'll be putting that idea to the test in about two months.
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Rather_Dashing



Joined: 07 Sep 2004

PostPosted: Wed Jan 05, 2005 12:44 am    Post subject: Re: Millionaires Reply with quote

Grim Ja wrote:
Is it possible to make and Save a million dollars while working and teaching in the EFL industry in Korea?


Back to the OP: yes, you can. You can make a million dollars cleaving scrap metal off of old cruise ships in India if you do it long enough. The answer depends on a few things; most importantly, what you mean by a million dollars. Nominal terms (when you actually hit 1 million)? Real terms (today's price level)?

I'll assume you mean real terms.
I'll assume you want to make it over a 35 year period.
I'll assume that you get the long run average real rate of return on the investment where you're throwing your money into, which is ~5% if I remember correctly.
I'll assume you'll make monthly payments into this fund, at the end of each month.

Now that we have that ugliness out of the way, here are the results:

FV = 1000000
I/R = 5/12
N = 35x12
PMT = ?

$880.21 a month. Not too shabby! Of course, this is in real dollars, so be sure to multiply that by the inflation rate every year to get your new contribution amount.
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fandeath



Joined: 01 Nov 2004

PostPosted: Wed Jan 05, 2005 2:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you could definately save 200,000,000 won(250,000,000 - 300,000,000 for the workaholics) in 5 years, if you have 2 jobs here, or a job and some tutoring. Then you can invest well.

But for a lot of teachers here, saving 2,000,000 in 1 year is impossible.
You have to have the will and the mindest.
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