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Campaign to Ban Exacto-knives!!!
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the eye



Joined: 29 Jan 2004

PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah, i'm not in favor humiliation as punishment either.

i am astonished to see some middle schoolers reduced to sobbing, quivering babies after receiving a few harsh words from their k-teacher.

once, i heard something like, 'do you think your father enjoys having to sacrifice his free time to work extra hard so you can come here and act like an ape?'

i'm sure there is worse, but i often don't put my korean ears on in time to get it.
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Scott in HK



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: now in Incheon..haven't changed my name yet

PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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A friendly slap around the ears sends a message to both receiver and the other students that X behaviour is not acceptable. Nobody is talking about beating their little brains out, or even physical pain. Some constructivist mumbo-jumbo about I will not let you partake in the fun activities because you are not respecting the autonomy of your co-learners might sound great in an ESL conference, but let's respect the Koreans a little more in their own classrooms.



How would a 'friendly' slap send a message that the behaviour is not acceptable? Friendly seems to suggest playful and therefore the student would get the message that this is okay. I do something wrong and the teacher 'plays around' with me. I do it again and we play some more.

How does implementing better systems of classroom management equal 'not respecting Koreans'? Anyone with a little intelligence and willing to put in a little effort can put an effective classroom management plan in place. The problem is that most people are either too lazy to do it..or too ignorant to know that they are more effective ways than 'hitting'.

Slapping kids around has always been the easy way out when it come to classroom management...and it always will be.
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manlyboy



Joined: 01 Aug 2004
Location: Darwin, Northern Territory, Australia

PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

peppermint wrote:
I send my kids in the unheated hallway for a minute or two when they act up. . if they're really bad, I take their coats.


Chincha??!!

I got totally reamed by a K-teacher for doing that! Mind you, that K-teacher doesn't like me very much. But still, I reckon you're playing with fire there, Peppermint.
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matthewwoodford



Joined: 01 Oct 2003
Location: Location, location, location.

PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 9:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Campaign to Ban Exacto-knives!!! Reply with quote

the eye wrote:
now she and her classmate have told their korean homeroom teacher that i tried to cut her in the face.
dirty looks abound.

i think I wil be banned before any knife is. bad teacher!



Ask them if they honestly think you tried to cut the girl in the face. Press them for a straight answer then get it in writing in English and Korean. If they turn around and say they do, or refuse to say anything, take it for the insult it is and walk out of there.

You might as well take the moral high ground if they look like firing you anyway.

In the meantime you could ban knives in your classroom at least.

My 2 cents.
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matthewwoodford



Joined: 01 Oct 2003
Location: Location, location, location.

PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Demonicat wrote:
Arrgh, but what I'm actually posting about is that believing 7 year olds over us! I had a 10 year old tell the boss lady that I promised the whole class an ice cream party on some random day. She then asked me "Why you make promise you not keep?" And you can't say the kid's lying so you have to lower your head and say "yessa missus, I'll be mindin' my words 'round the chilluns" Ridiculous



What's to stop you saying the kid's lying?
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peppermint



Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.

PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

manlyboy wrote:
peppermint wrote:
I send my kids in the unheated hallway for a minute or two when they act up. . if they're really bad, I take their coats.


Chincha??!!

I got totally reamed by a K-teacher for doing that! Mind you, that K-teacher doesn't like me very much. But still, I reckon you're playing with fire there, Peppermint.


I keep a close eye on the clock when I do this, and the other teachers at my school have asked why I don't carry a love stick- doesn't seem likely I'll get into any trouble. ( doncha just love that euphemism. . .)
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 11:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the eye wrote:
once, i heard something like, 'do you think your father enjoys having to sacrifice his free time to work extra hard so you can come here and act like an ape?'


That's brilliant. Almost enough to make me want to learn Korean.
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Grotto



Joined: 21 Mar 2004

PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 11:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote]How would a 'friendly' slap send a message that the behaviour is not acceptable? Friendly seems to suggest playful and therefore the student would get the message that this is okay. I do something wrong and the teacher 'plays around' with me. I do it again and we play some more.[quote]

Rolling Eyes In a perfect world Rolling Eyes

Example: one little boy in my class is giving the finger to a little girl in my class chanting FU FU FU. Now while his English does go beyond these two letters its very very very basic.

Now my options are:a) run out and find a Korean teacher who will blow it off as inconsequential.

b) sit down with the little guy and have an honest open face to face telling him how inappropriate that language is.

c) simply state ANIO and look disaprovingly

d) cuff him upside the head and say ANIO!!!!!

Now in North America saying no and a disapproving look might cut it but we are not in North America.

When in Rome....................
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Scott in HK



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: now in Incheon..haven't changed my name yet

PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 12:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No..not in a perfect world...in a classroom where the teacher actually knows something about classroom management.

If you don't want to put in the effort to learn and implement a good system of classroom management, then you can stick with the idiot prove 'hit and say no'....and when it doesn't work...you can smack them a little harder and say it a little louder...I am sure eventually it will work out just fine...

Classroom management is about student actions and the consequences that follow...disapproving looks don't really work anywhere if there isn't a system in place already...you need to put consequences in place that are reasonable and effective.

Smacking is neither reasonable nor effective...but who cares..it solves the immediate problem for a second or two...depending on the severity of the slap and that is the important thing...right
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MixtecaMike



Joined: 24 Nov 2003
Location: 3rd Largest Train Station in Korea

PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 4:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

By a friendly slap I mean one that the student feels but will not suffer unduely from. Friendly in that everyone goes OOOOHHHH but nobody is concerned that the teacher is going to go balistic. Friendly in that the punishment lasts a few seconds, and doesn't involve standing in the corridor terrified that the wonjan is going to see you there.

turtlep1 sorry if my quoting you wasn't clear, I was meant to be agreeing with what you said.

As for the American class management gods and/or godesses, I seriously doubt I'll ever be hired to teach in the US, so no problem for me what you can and can't do there.
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