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mack the knife
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: standing right behind you...
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 Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 5:52 pm Post subject: Fined W500,000 by Immigration |
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Not because I was teaching privates or anything remotely unscrupulous, but because I simply forgot to register a change of address.
Apparently, you have 14 days from the date of your move to register the change of address, or you will be fined W200,000. When I applied for an E-2 visa (to be added to my F-2) some 5 months ago, I wrote our current address on the forms. However, according to immigration this did not qualify as an actual change of address, which must be made on specific forms. Therefore, assuming unwisely (never assume anything about immigration) that my current address was now in the system, I allowed a full year to pass since my last move. And that's the real bugger. If you allow a full year to pass before registering a change of address, the fine jumps to W500,000. It's highway robbery, to put it mildly.
If you think I am deserving of the fine, please view my "Ignorance is a Defence" thread. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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Few countries encourage aliens to flout the laws meant to keep tabs on them. The USA since 9/11 hasn't exactly become friendly to guest workers who break the letter of the law.
From your previous post's reconstructed dialog with the immigration official, it sounded like you approached the situation with a certain "oh well, who cares?" attitude. That's never the best attitude to cop with immigration officials in any country and they threw the book at you. (A former Korean GF was rather testy once with a Heathrow immigration officer and got sent to a room for a medical examination.)
Thank you for brining this to light but I wonder if your fine might have been waved if you had shown the proper deference to an authority figure.
Your rage should really be not directed at those enforcing the law, but at whoever is supposed to handle you and advise you of these kinds of situations. Most schools have a whitey wrangler to take care of these things. So either lay the blame at your own ignorance ("Hmmmm I'm an alien in this country, registered at X address with immigration, and I'm moving my address, hmmmm you think I have to inform anyone?") or the person who handles your visa issues at your school for not giving you the heads up. |
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phaedrus
Joined: 13 Nov 2003
Location: I'm comin' to get ya.
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| Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Anyone know where we can get for free a book in English listing all the relevant regulations and laws that apply to foreigners? |
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Tiberious aka Sparkles
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: I'm one cool cat!
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| Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
Thank you for brining this to light but I wonder if your fine might have been waved if you had shown the proper deference to an authority figure.
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When I had my E7 renewed last August, the immigration lady told me I'd have to pay because I didn't register my change of address. I explained that I had asked about it and that I was told, over the phone, not to worry (this is 100% true). She took back the slip stating the fine I was to pay -- I don't remember it being 200,000 won; that's really high -- crumpled it up and threw it in the trash.
But maybe that's because I'm such a handsome devil.
Sparkles*_* |
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Daechidong Waygookin
Joined: 22 Nov 2004
Location: No Longer on Dave's. Ive quit.
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| Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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| The best thing is to tll them "Someone here told me over the phone that It wasnt a problem". Sparkles may have been telling the truth, but even if you lie, how will they ever be able to tell? Just be friendly, humble, polite and lie. |
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itaewonguy
Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 7:41 pm Post subject: Re: Fined W500,000 by Immigration |
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| mack the knife wrote: |
Not because I was teaching privates or anything remotely unscrupulous, but because I simply forgot to register a change of address.
Apparently, you have 14 days from the date of your move to register the change of address, or you will be fined W200,000. When I applied for an E-2 visa (to be added to my F-2) some 5 months ago, I wrote our current address on the forms. However, according to immigration this did not qualify as an actual change of address, which must be made on specific forms. Therefore, assuming unwisely (never assume anything about immigration) that my current address was now in the system, I allowed a full year to pass since my last move. And that's the real bugger. If you allow a full year to pass before registering a change of address, the fine jumps to W500,000. It's highway robbery, to put it mildly.
If you think I am deserving of the fine, please view my "Ignorance is a Defence" thread. |
I hear ya man!! those fuckers down there will do anything for a buck!
I have been fined for being one day late to register like 100.000 won!
also fined me for not registering my address a couple years ago.
I had a fight with them becuase I said"how the hell should I have known that I had to report a change of address"??
he replied: you should have just known!!
I said" WHAT! why didnt you just send out mail reporting it?
he said" thats not out problem thats yours!
now pay 100.000!
I hate immigration!! |
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tzechuk
Joined: 20 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Tiberious aka Sparkles wrote: |
| mindmetoo wrote: |
Thank you for brining this to light but I wonder if your fine might have been waved if you had shown the proper deference to an authority figure.
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When I had my E7 renewed last August, the immigration lady told me I'd have to pay because I didn't register my change of address. I explained that I had asked about it and that I was told, over the phone, not to worry (this is 100% true). She took back the slip stating the fine I was to pay -- I don't remember it being 200,000 won; that's really high -- crumpled it up and threw it in the trash.
But maybe that's because I'm such a handsome devil.
Sparkles*_* |
Like it or not, they are nicer to people with E-7....I have one, I got away with a few things. |
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jaykimf
Joined: 24 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 9:24 pm Post subject: Re: Fined W500,000 by Immigration |
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| mack the knife wrote: |
Not because I was teaching privates or anything remotely unscrupulous, but because I simply forgot to register a change of address.
Apparently, you have 14 days from the date of your move to register the change of address, or you will be fined W200,000. When I applied for an E-2 visa (to be added to my F-2) some 5 months ago, I wrote our current address on the forms. However, according to immigration this did not qualify as an actual change of address, which must be made on specific forms. Therefore, assuming unwisely (never assume anything about immigration) that my current address was now in the system, I allowed a full year to pass since my last move. And that's the real bugger. If you allow a full year to pass before registering a change of address, the fine jumps to W500,000. It's highway robbery, to put it mildly.
If you think I am deserving of the fine, please view my "Ignorance is a Defence" thread. |
You screwed up, get over it. It took me about 30 seconds to look up this information: "�� When a registered foreigner has moved to another place, he/she shall file a report
or his/her moving to the chief or the Si(city )Kun(county) or Ku(ward) having
jurisdiction over the place of his/her new sojourn within 14days from the date of the
move.
�� It also applies to the case when a registered foreigner has changed his/her place of
sojourn within the same boundaries of Si(city), Kun(county), Ku(ward).
�� When a foreigner neglects to report the fact, he/she will be fined according to the Immigration Law, article 98." http://www.moj.go.kr/immi/08_english/02_business/service_03_f.html
It's just common sense that you'd have to report an address change. Of course that's just my opinion. |
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kangnamdragon
Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Kangnam, Seoul, Korea
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| Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Daechidong Waygookin wrote: |
| The best thing is to tll them "Someone here told me over the phone that It wasnt a problem". Sparkles may have been telling the truth, but even if you lie, how will they ever be able to tell? Just be friendly, humble, polite and lie. |
Is this sarcasm? Why do you so often encourage lying? 
Were you the nice guy who said hello to me this morning in the LG 25? |
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mack the knife
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: standing right behind you...
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| Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2005 2:12 am Post subject: |
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| You screwed up, get over it. It took me about 30 seconds to look up this information |
Thank you, Captain ex post facto. Why would I have attempted to research a law/penalty which I had no idea existed? Do I need to look up the laws dealing with purchasing extra-strength Soju on Sundays? No, because I don't drink that swill, and because me being a "reasonable" person, I would have no "reason" to assume that I would be fined HEAVILY for such an infraction. |
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JongnoGuru
Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep
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| Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2005 2:36 am Post subject: |
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500,000 won is a hell of a penalty for an oversight like that. And all the more galling given that they're apparently prepared to waive it altogether in other cases.
I guess it's because I can never forget the bad old days here, but I'm almost downright giddy when they tell me some "little matter" can be cleared up in country and for mere money!
No, I certainly wouldn't want to be in Mack's shoes having to pay that fine. But having been around the block once or twice with various Korean authorities, this one would rank only a footnote in my Book of Korean Horror Stories. I realise that's hardly comforting when you're having to shell out half a milion won just to maintain stasis, though. |
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Reflections
Joined: 04 Jan 2005
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| More often than not in Korea, its not only the relevance of what you say, be it a simple lie or a truth; but more importantly how you go about saying it. |
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JongnoGuru
Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep
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| Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2005 8:36 am Post subject: |
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| Reflections wrote: |
| More often than not in Korea, its not only the relevance of what you say, be it a simple lie or a truth; but more importantly how you go about saying it. |
Oh, ho hooo, years of dealing with Korean bureaucrats has made one dandy old actor out of me, I can assure you! |
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ChooChooPongPong
Joined: 15 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2005 12:56 pm Post subject: |
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i've had similar static at immigration, because i leave the address field blank. when they ask me why, i tell them that i'm living in temporary housing (hasook, motel) until my school finds me a permanent dwelling, so they accept the school's address instead.
in actual truth, my last two schools have nothing to do with housing, and i have to find my own, which has involved a lot of changing. so, i like to keep them in the dark about it if i can. it always raises an eyebrow when i come through immigration at incheon, but i just tell them i don't have a place. seems to work. |
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Pyongshin Sangja
Joined: 20 Apr 2003
Location: I love baby!
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| Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2005 1:46 pm Post subject: |
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| they accept the school's address instead. |
Slick, Rick.
To the OP: How did they find out? Did they come looking for you or did you just volunteer too much information? |
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