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[matthewwoodford]

[happeningthang]

Hey guys don't take silence for consensus - I'm just not that excited about the subject to check the progress every day.

But, you make your points well except for the barking mad whatever who seems to have missed them. So for the benefit of BM I'll type it slowly, and encourage him to enunciate each syllable clearly when he inevitably reads it out loud to himself (or at least moves his lips).

I...WAS...NOT....SAY-ING...MY....EX-PER-I-ENCE...PROVES..ANY-THING.

Ever heard that saying about lies, damn lies and statistics? Stats can say whatever the hell you want them to say - so no I don't equate them to "cold hard facts", and yes I trust my experiences to make my judgements. But that's all they are MY expriences and MY judgements you don't have to share them - but that doesn't mean they're as worthless as you make them out to be (because they disagree with yours maybe?)

Notice how people pull them out to make their argument for them, and assume that its unassailable? Circus monkey for one who thinks that because he's trotted out the statistcs appropriate to his case he's "proved "something.

The only point I was making was that, for me, I can see some logic in the way Koreans drive, and that involves watching the road and who's on it, rather than the traffic lights, and signs, and using some degree of consideration (which was the point of the anecdotal reversing on icy, one lane roads). SO this again, for me, backs up the point of the article that we were all initially talking about instead of pulling out penises, and statistics to measure whos is bigger.

Cheers

[Circus Monkey]

Well, "thang", when you trod out your "experience" versus my "experience" no one can reach any kind of conclusion because it ends up one guy always pulling out a trump card from his back pocket to "disprove" the other guy.

Can stats be misleading? Sure. But pulling out that tired idiom is a cop out. Statistics are helpful tools and are generally seen as a better tool to support an argument rathat than saying "well, my experience says X, Y, and Z".

You'll notice that the links I showed help to support my anecdotal observations, unlike yourself. And gee, I'm glad you can see some kind of "logic" in how Korean drive. You insight is akin to me saying, "The sky is blue and water is wet".

I dunno. Maybe they should get rid of all the traffic signs and lights in Korea since they don't seem to bother with them anyway.

[happeningthang]

Fair enough CM. Just letting you know (which I thought was obvious in what I said) that I'm not interested in reaching a conclusion.

You can believe whatever you want, back it up with whatever you want - and it's not going to change how I feel about it. Christians can believe in god when nothing in science or rationalism supports it. So what, it means their experiences are meaningless, they should throw their hands up, say "what were we thinking"?

Shades of grey instead of you're right I'm wrong.

And if people are going to come out with white cowboy hat, black cowboy hat statements like;


PEI guy saying
"koreans using there own brains.. that would be a first while driving"

Uber schieese saying
"drivers pay attention to people here?"

Just because saying
"Can you see Koreans slowing down for each other????"

Then I feel that I need to point out the obvious, that there's a different sort of logic at work on the roads in Korea then perhaps the waygookin whingers are used to. It's helpful to view statements in the context of the conversation rather than homing in on a statement in isolation, because it gives you a chance to sneer.

But please CM I hope you recognise that this goes both ways - I don't discount what you've had to say, and I'm actually just that little bit more wary crossing the street lately.

You've had more experience driving here than me, and probably most people here. I've seen my fair share of idiocy from Korean drivers too, and like you I've become a more unsafe driver then I was at home (Australia).

It's not the best, but it's not as bad as some people like to portray it - I just want to balance out that view.

Cheers

PS

Performing virtual haka won't help you, doesn't work on the Wallabies, doesn't work on me.

[Hollywoodaction]

"It's not the best, but it's not as bad as some people like to portray it - I just want to balance out that view."

If you look at statistics, you'll notice that driver in Korea (Koreans and foreigners) are still some of the worst drivers in the world. But, I've noticed that they seem to have become safer drivers in the last 5 years. You should have been here 7 or 8 years ago when young Koreans were just starting to own cars. Then, more than half of the cars looked like they had been in fender benders, and quite a few of them looked like they had been backed up into telephone poles.