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The Mocking "Hello"
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jajdude



Joined: 18 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2005 8:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When we were around 11-13 years old in my small hometown, a friend of mine called the Chinese guy in the restaurant "Charlie".... I'm not sure why that was a bad thing to say, but the Chinese guy flipped out. "Why you call me Charlie? I kill you!" He sort of had us scared but after we ran out we thought it was so funny. Yep. Young and ignorant are a dangerous mix that create idiots.
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The Lemon



Joined: 11 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2005 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jajdude wrote:
Yep. Young and ignorant are a dangerous mix that create idiots.

Don't forget male-ness, or numbers. Put young and ignorant guys in a group and watch the collective IQ plummet down to sub-line dancing level.
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PolyChronic Time Girl



Joined: 15 Dec 2004
Location: Korea Exited

PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2005 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the little rugrats say "hello" in the oh-so-cute mocking way just answer "hello" back in Finnish, Japanese, French, German, Russian or whatever your choosing. I did this when a horde of boys kept nagging me to say hello back...just whipped around and gave a hearty "olah! Como te llamas?" The shocked looked on their faces that there might be some other foreigner other than an English monkey was priceless! If they're going to have fun at your expense...you might as well have a little fun yourself.
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kermo



Joined: 01 Sep 2004
Location: Eating eggs, with a comb, out of a shoe.

PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2005 10:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jajdude wrote:
When we were around 11-13 years old in my small hometown, a friend of mine called the Chinese guy in the restaurant "Charlie".... I'm not sure why that was a bad thing to say, but the Chinese guy flipped out. "Why you call me Charlie? I kill you!" He sort of had us scared but after we ran out we thought it was so funny. Yep. Young and ignorant are a dangerous mix that create idiots.


Now, it's been a while since I've seen Apocalypse Now, and I know this is a reach, but maybe he thought you were making some kind of Vietnam reference?
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just because



Joined: 01 Aug 2003
Location: Changwon - 4964

PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2005 11:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I understand both sides of the arguement here.

Believe me, this isn't just a Korean thing, it is all over the world.

When i was in indonesia last year a school bus pulled up at the museum I was visiting in Jakarta. Spoiled my whole visit as the basically(including the teachers) followed me around and asked me things in bad english.
I heard Hello Mister about 1000 times in 2 hours.

...or when i lived in Tokyo, got so many bloody, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi!!!!!



If i get a hello from a typical swarmy kid i have two responses.
1. I'll turn around and say to them in korean, WOW your english is very good, lest talk in English (�� ���� �� ���� ���ؿ�. ���� �� ����) and talk very fast at them. It usually sees them going away rather quickly with their friends laughing at them.

OR

2. If i have no time just go Hello, foolish person (�ȳ� �ٺ� ���) and it will have the same effect


.....but sometimes it is just geniune curiosity and then I'll say hello and give them a cute smile and a wave which leaves me feeling very happy.


just on a side note
I get a lot more hello crap in Seoul and Busan than i do out here in the countryside.
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Blind Willie



Joined: 05 May 2004

PostPosted: Sat Jan 29, 2005 12:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

just because wrote:
just on a side note
I get a lot more hello crap in Seoul and Busan than i do out here in the countryside.

Could the much larger populations have something to do with it?
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just because



Joined: 01 Aug 2003
Location: Changwon - 4964

PostPosted: Sat Jan 29, 2005 12:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

blind willie wrote:

just because wrote:
just on a side note
I get a lot more hello crap in Seoul and Busan than i do out here in the countryside.


Could the much larger populations have something to do with it?

I think you missed the point.

I live in a midsize city where population density is similar to these cities. When I walk on the streets(with the same amount of people passing me) I will get a lot less nonsense here in Changwon then I do in Seoul.
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tomato



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.

PostPosted: Sat Jan 29, 2005 1:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello, !

You might be interested in the ABC theory. This theory postulates that an emotion is not caused by an event, but rather by how the person interprets the event.

I don't resent children speaking to me in English, but I do resent adults speaking to me in English. This is because I interpret the events differently. As I interpret it, the children want a little jocularity, and they thing I would be a good partner for jocularity. (My first name is Thomas. Children call me �丶�� so that I would chase and tickle them. Hence my moniker.)

The adults, on the other hand, seem to speak English to me because they think I'm too stupid to learn English.

But of course, maybe I'm wrong also. Even if I am wrong, though, I hope that the other participants in this thread will be respectful enough not to scold and ridicule me.

Hello, , , and !

If you are not bothered by children on the street greeting you in English, that's wonderful. But it is seldom constructive to scold and ridicule a person for feeling a certain way.

Some of you may remember the prolonged battle between the apologists and the whiners on this message board. The apologists said, "If you're not happy here, then why don't you go back home!" The whiners said, "If you are happy in Korea, you must have been a real loser in your own country!"

As far as I know, no one ever converted from one camp to the other.

Hello, !

From what I have seen, the smaller and more isolated the community, the less the people speak English to foreigners. That's why I always try to get jobs in small and isolated towns.
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polarbearbrad



Joined: 06 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Sat Jan 29, 2005 2:40 am    Post subject: So what if they do mock us? Reply with quote

OK so what if they do mock us? I mean duck's back people. Let it slide so we are the foreigners and we stand out, who cares? Ok maybe look at it this way, in many cases it is the only word they know and they do the same childish "dare you to" game that many of us did at 9 and 10 years old. "Dare you to talk back to the teacher!" "Double dog dare you!" and so on. This time around it is "Dare you to say hello to the English person!" then when they do and we answer back they laugh it off not quite sure what we were going to do.

When this happens I reply with "Hello, how are you today?" and if they give a wrong answer, I correct it. I am a teacher and who cares if they are making fun of me, I am not going to be all disgusted by it. It is harmless I think those who are being bothered by this are WAY-over-reacting.

Of course that is just me. Reply and go about your business, it hurts no one.
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Zenpickle



Joined: 06 Jan 2004
Location: Anyang -- Bisan

PostPosted: Sat Jan 29, 2005 2:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

just because wrote:
I understand both sides of the arguement here.

Believe me, this isn't just a Korean thing, it is all over the world.


...or when i lived in Tokyo, got so many bloody, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi!!!!!



My girlfriend speaks fluent Japanese, and sometimes she says, "Hai, hai, hai!"

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Blind Willie



Joined: 05 May 2004

PostPosted: Sat Jan 29, 2005 3:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

just because wrote:
blind willie wrote:

just because wrote:
just on a side note
I get a lot more hello crap in Seoul and Busan than i do out here in the countryside.


Could the much larger populations have something to do with it?

I think you missed the point.

I live in a midsize city where population density is similar to these cities. When I walk on the streets(with the same amount of people passing me) I will get a lot less nonsense here in Changwon then I do in Seoul.

I got the point just fine. I just dont think it's right.
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uberscheisse



Joined: 02 Dec 2003
Location: japan is better than korea.

PostPosted: Sat Jan 29, 2005 4:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tomato wrote:

If you are not bothered by children on the street greeting you in English, that's wonderful. But it is seldom constructive to scold and ridicule a person for feeling a certain way.


why not? i mean - i'd say the majority of the people who post on this board from korea are working with children. if they get butt-hurt over kids being kids, then isn't it valid to question them and suggest they grow a little backbone?

perhaps i'm just one of those thick-skinned insensitive types who doesn't wet the bed much.
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queencarmie



Joined: 23 Jun 2004

PostPosted: Sat Jan 29, 2005 6:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do what I do. I look at them blankly and respond in Korean.
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Hollywoodaction



Joined: 02 Jul 2004

PostPosted: Sat Jan 29, 2005 7:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you think a couple of kids repeating 'hello' is annoying, you're in for a surprise if you ever have your own. Don't start insulting little kids unless you want to be rightfully known as the creepy foreigner.

But, it teenagers throw insults at you, don't get mad. Stay calm. Ask them in very polite Korean to repeat what they've just said. My wife told me it's very important to speak calmly because it's extremely intimidating.


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jajdude



Joined: 18 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sat Jan 29, 2005 7:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Back home when all the world was white and spoke English it was an isolation one was unaware of, because the community was all the same. Now one is aware the world is a bunch of isolated groups that don't understand each other. And it's hard to interact.
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