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Zenpickle



Joined: 06 Jan 2004
Location: Anyang -- Bisan

PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 3:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mine's not as high as my cooling bill from July --

-- knock on linoleum.
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SweetBear



Joined: 18 May 2003

PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 3:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Last January I got stuck with a 200, 000w gas bill. This Jan. I cut down on my gas consumption and used electric instead. Big mistake. This year, 200,000w electric plus 47,000w gas.
My friends get oil delivered and 100,000w lasts them two weeks if they are lucky. Confused
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Ihavenolips



Joined: 22 Sep 2004
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 3:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My heat bill was only 55,000 won last month. I only use heat to get hot water. I figured out how to shut off pipes so that I only heat rooms when I want to. Maybe I'll even cut back on hot water by bathing in the sauna sown the street.

My total utilities (heat, electricity, cable T.V, and Internet) never add up over 100,000. I can be frugal at times.
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pet lover



Joined: 02 Jan 2004
Location: not in Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 3:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This post serves no purpose.

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JongnoGuru



Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep

PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 4:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know this is going to sound dreadfully quaint to many here. But back home when the temperature dropped -- you're not going to believe this --we used to -- get ready for it now -- we used to put on warm clothes!! Surprised Yes, you heard that right -- we would do nutty things like wear sweaters during the winter, of all things! Even when we were indoors! Gosh, we were sooooo bizarre by Korean standards. For instance, we didn't normally strip down to our undies in the dead of winter, run around, and then complain that the house was too damn cold if we felt a bit chilly.

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ajstew



Joined: 04 Feb 2004
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 4:42 am    Post subject: gas bills Reply with quote

I've had horrible experiences with gas bills as well. I hadn't been writing down the meter-readings outside my door so I was getting what they considered an estimate. Then they checked one time during my first year here and found I was way over the limit. So over the limit in fact, that my bill was going to be 100,000 won for about 6 months in a row to get back to a decent rate. So eventhough I'm in Canada for a month and a half with the heat off... I was still getting sent a bill for 100,000 won heating cost during the summer months. Sad And I only used the gas for boiling the water and warming the place during the coldest of times. I honestly think that because I live on the top floor of my apartment complex... up on a hillside, that the insulation must be worse than the other apartments. Anyway... back down to a 45,000 won gas payment last month and feel grateful that it wasn't more than that.
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pet lover



Joined: 02 Jan 2004
Location: not in Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 4:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JongnoGuru wrote:
I know this is going to sound dreadfully quaint to many here. But back home when the temperature dropped -- you're not going to believe this --we used to -- get ready for it now -- we used to put on warm clothes!!


As I sit and type this, I'm wearing:

wool long underwear
a long-sleeved turtle neck shirt
a wool sweater
jeans
socks
unmentionables

I'm not exactly dressed for summer. If I'm wearing all that and I still feel chilly, then I turn up the heat. If I just got out of the shower and have instant goosebumps when I step out of the bathroom, I do not run to the termostat--I get dressed. Warmly. I sleep in sweats under a thick comforter with a dog on either side of me. Yes, they sleep under the covers. I'm comfortable and sometimes even a little too warm. When I feel a little too warm, I turn down the heat.
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crazylemongirl



Joined: 23 Mar 2003
Location: almost there...

PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 5:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Officetels are a killer. I reguarly got 200k ones last year.
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everydavid



Joined: 26 Aug 2004
Location: dans la lune

PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 6:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I live in an officetel and the heating is psychotic!!

Last March I moved in, and used the undol for set low. I complained that the heating was minimal even after hours of it being on so it was adjusted.

I got a bill for 100 000 won!!!
This year I bought space heaters and haven't touched the undol at all. So no heating, but I did buy an electric blanket -- best buy of my life!!!

I saw on appartment bill that had heating alone for 300 000 won for the same size place as mine.

I used a simple gas burner to cook which costs me about 1500 won a month for the tanks from Lotte Mart.
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JongnoGuru



Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep

PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 7:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

everydavid wrote:
This year I bought space heaters and haven't touched the undol at all. So no heating, but I did buy an electric blanket -- best buy of my life!!!

Some good tips deserve to be shouted out loud. I always set my blanket (it's actually a pad that slips between the mattress and the lower sheet) on the very lowest setting possible -- the dial goes "*, 1, 2, 3" and I only ever set mine to "*". Even then, it gets hot after a while. If I don't wake up during the night to turn it off, I'll wake up in the morning and find one of my legs sticking out from under the blanket. I'm sure I could fry eggs on it at "3".

A word of caution about ondol systems. The pipes can freeze and burst when temperatures fall below zero for a few days in a row. I've had friends who went on holiday from mid-December to early January, turning the ondol off before they left. The temperature dropped, pipes in the floor and behind a concrete wall froze and burst. When they returned, their landlord (who showed up drunk, belligerent and screaming at them) presented them with a bill for over 10 million won for the repairs.

Like the pilot light in gas heating systems in the West, you can turn the setting way down on the ondol system if you want to save money, but don't do what my friends did and turn it off completely until winter is over.
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eamo



Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.

PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 7:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This comes up every winter. Huge gas bills because many of us don't know how to use ondol.

There are three ways to use it according to Koreans I've spoken to.

For very small studios (less than 10 pyeong) you might be better turning it off completely and on full as you come and go. The theory is a small apt can get to toasty temperature quickly without using much gas. You will run the risk of frozen pipes though. Not a method I'd risk.


Or, as I think is best for most apts, you can use the "going out" button. Sometimes it's called the "sleep" button. This will maintain your apt's temperature at a fair bit above freezing level so as your pipes won't freeze and it's fairly warm when you come home at night.


Another method, like Wanja is doing, is to simply set the required temperature sometime in early November and don't touch it until march. This has worked well for me and a surprising amount of koreans do this I'm told.

The absolute worst thing to do is turn it off completely if you have a largish apt (above 16 pyeong). Even if your pipes don't freeze and crack you'll definitely get a large gas bill as the boiler has to work very hard to heat up that big floor each day.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wangja wrote:
Quiz nite is Thursday - but it gets crowded early.

From Iteawon station / Hamilton Hotel turn right at the Baskin' Bobbins corner towards the Moghul restaurant, then left and it is about 50 metres on your right ... at the junction of 3 Alleys .... (well, 4 actually Confused )


Cheers for that Very Happy
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bucheon bum



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

eamo wrote:

For very small studios (less than 10 pyeong) you might be better turning it off completely and on full as you come and go. The theory is a small apt can get to toasty temperature quickly without using much gas. You will run the risk of frozen pipes though. Not a method I'd risk.


That's what I did in my 2nd apartment. Always comfortable, biggest bill was around 40,000 I believe. Apt. was around 10 pyeong.

It was a warm winter though, hardly dropped below freezing when I was out, so no pipe worries.
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tzechuk



Joined: 20 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wangja wrote:
Quiz nite is Thursday - but it gets crowded early.

From Iteawon station / Hamilton Hotel turn right at the Baskin' Bobbins corner towards the Moghul restaurant, then left and it is about 50 metres on your right ... at the junction of 3 Alleys .... (well, 4 actually Confused )


You know, Wangja, I always question their name.. I mean, they say the reason they called it 3 Alley is because it is the third Alley from Hamilton.. but when I first went to look for it, it was, like you said, in fact the 4th Alley. I asked Gunter, he sort of said one of the Alley is small so it doesn't count.. mmmm...
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Wangja



Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan

PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tzechuk wrote:
Wangja wrote:
Quiz nite is Thursday - but it gets crowded early.

From Iteawon station / Hamilton Hotel turn right at the Baskin' Bobbins corner towards the Moghul restaurant, then left and it is about 50 metres on your right ... at the junction of 3 Alleys .... (well, 4 actually Confused )


You know, Wangja, I always question their name.. I mean, they say the reason they called it 3 Alley is because it is the third Alley from Hamilton.. but when I first went to look for it, it was, like you said, in fact the 4th Alley. I asked Gunter, he sort of said one of the Alley is small so it doesn't count.. mmmm...


Well I didn't know that .... Embarassed I simple never worked out how at a "crossroads" of 4 it could refer to 3 .... doh .... anyway, the beer's good and reasonable and the food is excellent ...
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