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Daechidong Waygookin
Joined: 22 Nov 2004
Location: No Longer on Dave's. Ive quit.
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I think that people should remember that it doesn't have to be an all or nothing proposal. I don't think (from what is posted above) that she wishes the work to be cancelled, just suspended so that a study can be done. Perhaps (as has been mentioned) the animals could be captured and moved. This has been done before, so it should be possible here. However, given the stellar reputation that Koreans have for their treatment of animals, I wouldn't hold my breath.
The woman believes in something and is drawing attention to it. She may even (though chances are slim) be successful. It is also in line with her religion, so I think that her motivation is understandable. I am not sure I would go about things the same way she has (mostly because I ma not sure I have it in me), but I have a lot of respect for a woman that would put that much on the line for a personal belief. That is not stupid. |
I wonder what the people who may lose work over this think of her and her beliefs. |
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dogbert
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: Killbox 90210
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| Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Daechidong Waygookin wrote: |
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Here is the purpose of the construction:
"If constructed, the tunnel will be used for linking the nation's two major cities of Seoul and Busan within two hours by high-speed train."
Considering that Seoul and Busan are already well-connected by high-speed train, intercity bus, and airplane, how is it that people will starve if this one tunnel is not constructed? |
The people who are employed to build this tunnel will lose their jobs. All because of what? |
Where do you get that?
This tunnel is just one project. Not only will not building it not necessarily lead to layoffs, building it doesn't mean that the workers will continue to be employed after it's built. |
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uberscheisse
Joined: 02 Dec 2003
Location: japan is better than korea.
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| Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 12:35 am Post subject: |
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| red dog wrote: |
| Well said, rapier and diver. |
it's much easier to just read daechidong waygookin's posts and imagine a sitcom laughtrack in behind them. typing just gives you carpal tunnel in the end. |
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tzechuk
Joined: 20 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 12:54 am Post subject: |
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Someone have to stand up for those poor animals!
Frankly speaking, according to my husband, the government tends to over-employ in any case, so if they don't continue with the construction, the existing workers will just get to do something else.
If the nun dies, the government will be in deep sh*t, since a lot of people will protest and accuse the government of having no sympathy or flexibility. This government hasn't been very popular from day one. I don't think they want more bad publicity... |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 1:46 am Post subject: |
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Someone have to stand up for those poor animals!
Frankly speaking, according to my husband, the government tends to over-employ in any case, so if they don't continue with the construction, the existing workers will just get to do something else.
If the nun dies, the government will be in deep sh*t, since a lot of people will protest and accuse the government of having no sympathy or flexibility. This government hasn't been very popular from day one. I don't think they want more bad publicity... |
exactly! Animals and the natural environment in general, have so few friends in this country, and developers always get their way with no compromise...money is the deciding factor in every decision here.
I've seen so much needless environment degradation here its sickening- in the name of propping up an ailing yet politically powerful construction industry in need of work.
It has got ridiculous: every river and mountain stream turned into lifeless concrete trenches with a nationwide banking/dykeing programme. No more frogs, reeds, lilypads, dragonflies or fish! Just concrete banks to every river..
The most picturesque view I ever saw in Korea- a pretty promontory overlooking the sea on a small island 70km off the coast- ruined by the building of an ugly road to connect just one single house to the main road. And then they built more buildings right on the cliffs, it looked terrible.
I'm not saying that the railway line to Pusan is not needed: but there are so many other examples of needless ugly building projects destroying pretty ar ecologically important sites in this country- and nobody seems to care.
At least she is raising awareness of preserving what is valuable in a country that seems to have no concept of "planning permission", and certainly does not value wildlife.
Ever wondered why there are NO nature reserves, bird reserves, protected sites, Tigers, bears, etc in South Korea? Its because most Koreans think like "daechidong waegookin". |
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peemil
Joined: 09 Feb 2003
Location: Koowoompa
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| Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 1:51 am Post subject: |
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DW:
When is enough enough? |
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Daechidong Waygookin
Joined: 22 Nov 2004
Location: No Longer on Dave's. Ive quit.
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| Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 2:05 am Post subject: |
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DW:
When is enough enough? |
30 animals standing in the way of economic development. People, get a grip. These animals are not worth it and quite frankly, when you allow one eco-terrorist to hold up development, pretty soon others will follow. Say no to eco-terrorism.
As for the nun dying, she wont die. She's probably cheating anyway. I hope they call her bluff and go on with the project. |
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uberscheisse
Joined: 02 Dec 2003
Location: japan is better than korea.
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| Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 2:34 am Post subject: |
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| *sigh*... if only matthew perry was playing you, DW... it'd be so much more convincing. |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 3:38 am Post subject: |
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| *sigh*... if only matthew perry was playing you, DW... it'd be so much more convincing. |
yep..i think the troll is obvious  . I do wish people would save trolling for less significant issues. Some of us actually, really do care about things like this.
I assume DW would be all for turning yellowstone into a massive appartment complex as well.."it'd provide people with jobs" |
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Daechidong Waygookin
Joined: 22 Nov 2004
Location: No Longer on Dave's. Ive quit.
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| Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 3:42 am Post subject: |
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| rapier wrote: |
| uberscheisse wrote: |
| *sigh*... if only matthew perry was playing you, DW... it'd be so much more convincing. |
yep..i think the troll is obvious . I do wish people would save trolling for less significant issues. Some of us actually, really do care about things like this.
I assume DW would be all for turning yellowstone into a massive appartment complex as well.."it'd provide people with jobs" |
Actually Yellowstone already puts in a lot of money into the economy as it is a large tourist attraction. So I am not in favor of destroying it. Yellowstone is also a massive place, and trashing it would be a huge blow to the US. Here we are talking about 30 animals. Losing 30 animals as opposed to losing an important rail connection between 2 major cities. To me, theres no debate about this one. Im all for biodiversity, but we have to be realistic. Pretty soon if people like this monk and rapier would love to have it, building construction will be called off because some eco terrorists found some unique species of earth worms living at the site. |
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phaedrus
Joined: 13 Nov 2003
Location: I'm comin' to get ya.
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| Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 3:48 am Post subject: |
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| Daechidong Waygookin wrote: |
| Pretty soon if people like this monk and rapier would love to have it, building construction will be called off because some eco terrorists found some unique species of earth worms living at the site. |
The wonderful thing about humans is that we are smart enough to think about how we act, and to come up with alternative and better ways. |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 4:34 am Post subject: |
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| Here we are talking about 30 animals. |
NO. 30 kinds of "protected", rare animal and plant species, including the korean clawed salamander. Not "30 individual animals". The mountain is the site of the largest natural bog/marshland in Korea. In the west, there are laws to protect such sites. The U.S would never allow 30 species to go extinct over the development of one site!! Korea is practically a pariah state to conservationists worldwide for its stubborn refusal to even acknowledge natural heritage/biodiversity has value- let alone preserve it in any way.
Lets hear what she has to say. Her own words;
"I look back at the past four years, only to conclude that all I had asked was that a proper environmental influence appraisal (of the tunnel project) should be conducted. Whether the tunnel, which cuts right into 10 environmental preservation areas designated by law would have influence on the environment or not (is what I want) ... Was it too much to ask?" she wrote earlier in a message directed to President Roh Moo-hyun and posted on the Web site of Emergency Board to Save Mount. Cheonseong, a civil group formed to block the construction.
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| Pretty soon if people like this monk and rapier would love to have it, building construction will be called off because some eco terrorists found some unique species of earth worms living at the site.[/ |
I am not anti- development. But it can be done with sensitivity to the environment. Most development in korea happens without any impact assessments: the short term profits line the pockets of a few select industrialists, while we all live in a gradually ever more sterile and poorer environment.
"Eco terrorists"..oh come on..she is threatening nobody except her own self. Perhaps she is tired of living in a world where nobody cares about protecting the beauty and diversity of the natural world around us?
Who are the real terrorists?: A peaceful Bhuddhist nun trying to prtect a place of beauty, a unique ecosystem, or the many mindless developers hellbent on destroying nature to make cash?
The attitude that "Oh its only a few animals" or "its only a few birds" etc has been eating away at the worlds wildernesses, plant and animal species for far too long now, that time and again, piece by piece, we have lost many species: whole ecosystems and landscapes. The onslaught has been relentless, and is ongoing.
Why not build the tunnel away from the mountain, elsewhere?
It is thanks to thinking like this that worldwide this is the state of play right now:
*25% of mammals face imminent extinction.
*505 of plant species will be extinct in 30-50 years at current rates.
*182 bird species teeter on imminent extinction, 1200 species gone forever by the year 2100.
*82 species of fish in peril, 30% of fish endangered globally.
*137 species of lifeforms driven to extinction each day by rainforest clearance in Amazonia (scientists estimate).
If you want to know why it is vital to humn survival to preserve biodiversity, (let alone because of the beauty and charm it graces the earth with), just ask. |
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Guri Guy
Joined: 07 Sep 2003
Location: Bamboo Island
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| Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 4:49 am Post subject: |
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| Exactly Rapier. 30 kinds of different animals and plant species. It is time for some environmental sanity. I am sure they could find another way to build this rail link. Suppose that they added 2 minutes to your trip between Seoul and Busan to save some plants and animals. Would you do it? I'm sure Korea wouldn't do it because they must have some stat for average speed of a high speed train between 2 points over a certain point. Woudn't want to fall behind the world would we? Must try and keep up with Japan at all costs...(which has already destroyed their environment btw) So much for captain positive...*hic* |
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Guri Guy
Joined: 07 Sep 2003
Location: Bamboo Island
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| Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 4:52 am Post subject: |
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| Oh and gawd help the DMZ if the two Koreas ever reunite. That is an environmentalist's dream. Untouched virgin wilderness in Korea. Looks ripe for 3 expressways and a major rail link. Dammit....*hic* Biodiversity be d*mned!!! *hic* |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 5:49 am Post subject: |
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| Guri Guy wrote: |
| Oh and gawd help the DMZ if the two Koreas ever reunite. That is an environmentalist's dream. Untouched virgin wilderness in Korea. Looks ripe for 3 expressways and a major rail link. Dammit....*hic* Biodiversity be d*mned!!! *hic* |
Some wildlife dependant on the protected DMZ zone:
Asiatic Half-moon bear.
Red crowned crane.
Amur leopard cat.
White naped crane.
Possibly the last remaining population of the Siberian Tiger.
Wildlife habitat of the Korean peninsula is being reduced due to urban expansion and industrial development. A 1994 biodiversity study conducted in South Korea found 14 percent of known birds, 23 percent of freshwater fish, 29 percent of mammals, 48 percent of reptiles and 60 percent of amphibians were endangered or extinct.
-the DMZ has become a haven for hundreds of plant and animal species no longer existing elsewhere on the Korean peninsula. GOD HELP IT. |
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