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TECO

Joined: 20 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2005 8:37 pm Post subject: Public Expression of Religious Beliefs |
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I'm curious how people here feel about the public expression of religous beleifs?
I've noticed recently that a few athletes have thanked "Jesus Christ" for getting a 3rd place and giving them 'bitching' equipment, etc.
So, is it appropriate to share these views in public?
I work with another teacher who does a lot to encourage the students to accept Jesus and hands out little hockey-card sized cards with biblical phrases and info on them. |
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Bulsajo

Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2005 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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There's a difference between expressing one's faith and proselytizing.
From what you wrote (i.e. not a lot of detail to work with) I'd say the athelete is doing the former while your co-worker is doing the latter. |
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TECO

Joined: 20 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2005 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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I agree.
Two different things.
the first, expressing your religious views is, say, legal in a country like Canada, while the second would be illegal, I believe. |
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hojucandy

Joined: 03 Feb 2003 Location: In a better place
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Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2005 9:06 pm Post subject: 1,086 |
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wow - canada sounds wonderful - where can i sign up?
nothing wrong with expressing yr faith... my avatar reflects my own deep devotion to the church of sponge-bob.
but evangelism should rightly be illegal. i keep a small figurine of our savior spongebob on my desk at work though... but not to convert people - he is there for my own spiritual support
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jaganath69

Joined: 17 Jul 2003
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Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2005 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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I choose to keep quiet about mine for the most part. I am a non-practising Muslim. Still, I find when I do tell people here I am offered less derision and asked fewer stupid questions that by people back home. On the whole though, its a personal thing and unless the school is an overtly religious one, teachers should not be spreading their religious beliefs amongst the students. It never fails to amaze me how sneaky some with missionary zeal are.
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vlcupper

Joined: 12 Aug 2004 Location: Gangnam
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Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2005 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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Why should evangelism be illegal? |
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jaganath69

Joined: 17 Jul 2003
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Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2005 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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vlcupper wrote: |
Why should evangelism be illegal? |
I never said it should, just that in the context of teaching it should be decided by the school. People can spread the word all they like, I'll just walk on by, head down like I usually do.
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vlcupper

Joined: 12 Aug 2004 Location: Gangnam
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Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2005 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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jaganath69 wrote: |
vlcupper wrote: |
Why should evangelism be illegal? |
I never said it should, just that in the context of teaching it should be decided by the school. People can spread the word all they like, I'll just walk on by, head down like I usually do.
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Jaga |
I'm sorry I should have quoted him. Spongebob said "evangelism should rightly be illegal." I want to know why he thinks that. |
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jaganath69

Joined: 17 Jul 2003
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Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2005 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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vlcupper wrote: |
jaganath69 wrote: |
vlcupper wrote: |
Why should evangelism be illegal? |
I never said it should, just that in the context of teaching it should be decided by the school. People can spread the word all they like, I'll just walk on by, head down like I usually do.
Cheers
Jaga |
I'm sorry I should have quoted him. Spongebob said "evangelism should rightly be illegal." I want to know why he thinks that. |
I don't think it should, as it limits the freedom of expression. Part of this right includes the right to unpopular speech, which evangelizing is in MY view. If we outlaw it, what is next? Talking about politics, philosophical discussion. Its a very slippery slope in my view.
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hojucandy

Joined: 03 Feb 2003 Location: In a better place
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Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2005 10:04 pm Post subject: 1,088 |
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i was more expressing my disgust with christians who evangelise their religion than seriously considering making it illegal...
i am all for freedom of expression. evangelists just make me sick that's all. christianity is a guilt trip and i wish christians would not try to make other people feel guilty too.
there are vulnerable peoplein the world. evangelists pushing their brand of xtianity can really faq them up. i had a friend who suicided because his church convinced him he was a sinner for being gay. he was a recent convert. had been happy til then |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Location: I walk along the avenue
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Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2005 10:39 pm Post subject: |
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I work with another teacher who does a lot to encourage the students to accept Jesus and hands out little hockey-card sized cards with biblical phrases and info on them. |
I would consider that to be highly unprofessional. However, if you're at a private hagwon, the owner is free to allow whatever sort of activity he wants in the classroom. If I were the owner, I would shut down the in-class revival show PDQ.
Nothing wrong with discussing religion in class(it's my favorite topic actually) and if Christians wanna make the odd statement about what Christ has done for their lives, no problem. But the teacher should remain neutral on matters of religion, and if he allows the sermonizing to go on too long he might be seen as endorsing the evangelical students' beliefs. |
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shakuhachi

Joined: 08 Feb 2003 Location: Sydney
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Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2005 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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There is nothing wrong with spreading ones beliefs, and telling other people about it gives them an opportunity to accept or reject it. However there is a time and a place for everything. Unless the school you work at is a religious one, I think that your coworker is abusing his captive audience. Maybe it is something that the management of the school should know about it.
There are so many different 'versions' of Christianity, many of which are in conflict with the bible it is based on. You cannot reject all Christianity based on warped messages coming from some of its adherents.
For example, many Christians will demand that you 'not judge' someone. In fact Christ ordered his followers to 'judge men by their fruits'. Jesus only ordered that they not judge hypocritically.
I have a cousin who was of the 'warped Christian' variety. One day she came into my room and said she wanted to discuss something with me. I was 15 years old and had only met this cousin twice before. She told me that God was angry at me because I was casting spells and worshipping satan (?!). I asked her what on earth she was talking about, and she said it was because I was playing D&D with my buddies. I told her that unless a burning bush told her that God was angry then she should get lost, and that I was offended that she would talk to me like that.
Encounters with people like that is enough to turn someone who is not a christian and hasnt met a reasonable one off christianity forever. The important thing is to 'separate the sheep from the goats'. |
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TECO

Joined: 20 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2005 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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He's a teacher at a private university - my office mate!
On the side of his computer monitor he has a National Rifle Association sticker.
On his bookshelf, he has a bumper sticker that reads, "Jesus Died For You"
On the support beam pole in his corner of the office, he put up a "Bush - Chaney 2004" sticker and one of a Big Fish with "God" written on it eating a little fish that reads, "Darwin." LOL!!!
I think this guy would be living in one of the "Blue" regions on that electoral map CNN had on TV - aha!! |
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Zenpickle
Joined: 06 Jan 2004 Location: Anyang -- Bisan
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Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2005 3:46 am Post subject: |
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Matthew 6:5-6: "And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men....when thou prayest, enter into thy closet and when thou has shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret...." |
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Blind Willie
Joined: 05 May 2004
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Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2005 3:57 am Post subject: |
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Much like your sexual practices, I think your supernatural beliefs are best kept to yourself |
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