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Grotto
Joined: 21 Mar 2004
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 Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 3:59 am Post subject: Who else would like to slap some sense into recruiters? |
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I was perusing the job board and noticed that many of the postings state:
Hours 2-9:30 Mon-Fri thirty hours a week
Now I am no math whiz but 5X7.5=37.5
Where the hell do they get off saying that this is only 30 hours?
Shouldnt 30 hours be the total time you are expected to be at a school?
Since when did 30 hours include seven and a half hours of free overtime?
Hell if they paid 7.5 hours overtime that wouldnt be a bad gig!
Any bets whether they would pay that overtime? |
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chronicpride
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 4:29 am Post subject: |
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| They're probably implying that 30 hours is classroom hours, and those hours fall within a varying framework of 2-9:30. This has become so common in schools that it appears that recruiters are getting slack on how they word it in ads. |
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cellphone
Joined: 18 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 6:36 am Post subject: |
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i don't know about the math either but you make a good point, some of these ads, alot of them, morning class then a full shift from 2 to 10 pm ?!?!?!?!?!?!
Even just 2 to 10pm is insane. Hell I want off of work by 8 so I can have a minimal social life. All these schools talking about being on the job even past 9 pm. You get home, need time to wash up and eat, it's already 11+. No evening date for you. |
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Holyjoe
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: Away for a cuppa
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| Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 6:42 am Post subject: |
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| cellphone wrote: |
| You get home, need time to wash up and eat, it's already 11+. No evening date for you. |
Korea only just gets going at 11pm...  |
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Derrek
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| I hear ya, but a lot of it is the crap the schools ask them to post. |
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PolyChronic Time Girl
Joined: 15 Dec 2004
Location: Korea Exited
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| Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 8:08 am Post subject: |
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I've had a couple recruiters approach me in the bar the other day. Maybe I had "newbie" written all over my face but what I've been the most annoyed about was with their inability to listen. I told them that I've lived in Korea for almost two years and then they proceed with the robotic dialogue of "don't you want a job where you can save alot of money" "don't you want a good boss to work for?" "Do you know how to take a taxi in Korea?!" as if I just stepped off the plane two hours ago. Man, all this when I'm trying to drink beers with friends! I was smug with them and told them "no thanks, I got a nice high school job" Then they went on and on about how great little kindy kids are. I told them that they are not...they are a nightmare. They told me just to quit my job and come over there...like its that easy.
My favorite was with one recruiter (maybe he was drunk) and he kept telling me of a job that had a GREAT vacation (5 days out of the whole year). I told him I had six weeks vacation. It's like he didn't hear me..he kept saying, "well, this hagwon has five vacation days...you can go to Cheju! Best place on earth!" 
Just dissing these two recruiters I've encountered...I seem to attract the weirdos. There are good recruiters out there...and have met a good few that have had my back and really helped me out. It's a tough job for them. |
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chronicpride
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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Which bar is this happening at? I wanna go there and find those guys and grill them on if they are licensed.  |
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cellphone
Joined: 18 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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Geez this stuff is too common!:
-Working hours: 9:00-1:00(Mon to Fri) for a public elementary school
and 2:00-9:00( only M/W/F) for a private school
You mean I only have to do 12 hour days on MWF? And I get the opportunity to wake up at 7:30 in the morning after staying out all night because I get off work so late? {11 hrs x 3} + {4hrs x 2} + {waking up early} + {between school commutes} = ~41+ hrs & one hell of a renegotiable contract.
Seriously what does bother me about this is not the particular school itself, but the fact that other schools can up their requirements since some already have apparently without a second glance. |
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I_Am_Wrong
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
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| Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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| holy crap...that last one is insane! I do 8:30-2:00 at a public school and one hour at a hagwon and that's draining enough. That job is a suicide wish. |
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cellphone
Joined: 18 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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few more nice ones:
-Working hours: 9:00-7:00 --- (12 hours)
-Working hours: 9:30-7:00 --- (only 11 1/2 hrs)
-Working hours: 9:30-6:00 or 10:45-7:30 (talk about stretching that extra :30 or :45 mins)
-Working hours: 9:00-7:30(Mon/Wed/Fri) & 9:00-6:00(Thu/Thur)
(Oh Tue/Thur are the "easy" days. The 12 1/2 hour days are only MWF)
I dunno what chronicpride was saying about "it's just the listing, not permanent" or something but even putting this stuff in ads does some damage. And why don't the recruiters try and print more exact hours for the school? The ones that say 120hrs or otherwise max out the time, those are the very last ones I'm going to call, usually not at all! |
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chronicpride
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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| cellphone wrote: |
few more nice ones:
-Working hours: 9:00-7:00 --- (12 hours)
-Working hours: 9:30-7:00 --- (only 11 1/2 hrs)
-Working hours: 9:30-6:00 or 10:45-7:30 (talk about stretching that extra :30 or :45 mins)
-Working hours: 9:00-7:30(Mon/Wed/Fri) & 9:00-6:00(Thu/Thur)
(Oh Tue/Thur are the "easy" days. The 12 1/2 hour days are only MWF)
I dunno what chronicpride was saying about "it's just the listing, not permanent" or something but even putting this stuff in ads does some damage. And why don't the recruiters try and print more exact hours for the school? The ones that say 120hrs or otherwise max out the time, those are the very last ones I'm going to call, usually not at all! |
Because when a recruiter is talking on the phone to the school, they just get the basics. And the basics of the schedule is usually just the framework. Upon talking to the director or a teacher that works there, you'll learn that the 2-9:30 shift is actually something like 4-9:30 on Mondays, 2:30-8:00 on Tuesdays, 3:30-5:00 and then 6:00-8:30 on Wed, etc...more often than not, it balances out to the stated working hours, even though the recruiter doesn't go through the headache of ascertaining and posting the exact working hours. They always post the ballpark framework of when your classes will fall into.
They get lazy about not getting all of the exact details, as one ad will generate enough response from applicants that they don't need to go through all of the detailed motions. They usually shy away from people that whittle away at contract and schedule specifications to begin with. But of those that they really like, and that candidate has any specific questions about the schedule and working conditions, they will defer to the school or the foreign teachers that work there, and tell you to ask them. They are really just in the business of screening applicants(see: looking at photo, age, and nationality) and setting up interviews, than they are about fully representing the school. |
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Holyjoe
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: Away for a cuppa
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| Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 11:41 pm Post subject: |
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| cellphone wrote: |
-Working hours: 9:00-7:00 --- (12 hours)
-Working hours: 9:30-7:00 --- (only 11 1/2 hrs)
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Back to the math hagwon for whoever calculated the hour figures in parentheses... |
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Grotto
Joined: 21 Mar 2004
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| Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 12:36 am Post subject: |
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chronicpride said
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| Because when a recruiter is talking on the phone to the school, they just get the basics. And the basics of the schedule is usually just the framework. Upon talking to the director or a teacher that works there, you'll learn that the 2-9:30 shift is actually something like 4-9:30 on Mondays, 2:30-8:00 on Tuesdays, 3:30-5:00 and then 6:00-8:30 on Wed, etc...more often than not, it balances out to the stated working hours, even though the recruiter doesn't go through the headache of ascertaining and posting the exact working hours. They always post the ballpark framework of when your classes will fall into. |
 
What a crock! Recruiters post crap that tries to make a job look better than it actually is, not worse!
If the job offer says 2-930 you will be required to be at the school from 1:30-10:00 Mon-Fri with the occasional bullcrap Saturday thrown in.
If recruiters took 3 seconds to pull their collective heads out of their collective asses the would post accurate information rather than the basics. Then there wouldnt be so many people ticked off when they arrive in Korea and find things are not what they were promised! |
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cellphone
Joined: 18 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 12:47 am Post subject: |
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| well come on now grotto, i don't think chronicpride was trying to do anything but give a clearer explanation. definately wasn't a 'crock.' also, i think you misunderstood.... otherwise, although the two of you are on different waves, you both make some feasible points. |
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chronicpride
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 1:03 am Post subject: |
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| Because when a recruiter is talking on the phone to the school, they just get the basics. And the basics of the schedule is usually just the framework. Upon talking to the director or a teacher that works there, you'll learn that the 2-9:30 shift is actually something like 4-9:30 on Mondays, 2:30-8:00 on Tuesdays, 3:30-5:00 and then 6:00-8:30 on Wed, etc...more often than not, it balances out to the stated working hours, even though the recruiter doesn't go through the headache of ascertaining and posting the exact working hours. They always post the ballpark framework of when your classes will fall into. |
What a crock! Recruiters post crap that tries to make a job look better than it actually is, not worse!
If the job offer says 2-930 you will be required to be at the school from 1:30-10:00 Mon-Fri with the occasional bullcrap Saturday thrown in.
If recruiters took 3 seconds to pull their collective heads out of their collective asses the would post accurate information rather than the basics. Then there wouldnt be so many people ticked off when they arrive in Korea and find things are not what they were promised! |
That's not happening on an across-the-board basis. I think there is a lot of eslcafe brewhaha that is lining your assumption.
From what I've seen and experienced, there are cases of your example happening, but the ballpark framework quoting is more prevalent than the bait-and-switch, than you may think.
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