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Len8
Joined: 12 Feb 2003
Location: Kyungju
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 Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 8:25 am Post subject: |
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You could also say Russian saram animnida. Kurigo Ipdara dehago nagada. Michi nom
I think it means I am not a Russian so shut your mouth and get lost you crazy bastard |
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casey's moon
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: Daejeon
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| Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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Wouldn't it be equally as childish to criticize someone (er...call them 'childish' I believe) for dealing with a situation in a manner different from your own?
I have just chosen to call them on it when they do it, that's all. You can eat their crap and smile. I applaud you. But I don't. I like to call a 'spade' a 'spade' (to quote one of our esteemed mods). |
You seem to be making a lot of assumptions.... but first of all, I want to say that I didn't call you childish (although I may have impied it  ) but rather that calling a Korean person "Japanese" was a childish response to being called "American."
Earlier, you said this:
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| You are well within your rights to think that letting Koreans continue to be relentless ignorami is the way to go, but I (and others) are within our rights to go the other way and point it out to them. |
It seems to me that you think that there are two ways to respond to being called "migook saram." Either totally humiliate the caller (you called this 'pointing it out to them') or to 'let them continue to be relentless ignorami.' In my oh-so-humble opinion, there are many other ways to educate people, rather than humiliating and hurting them.
I am no apologist, nor a newbie. I've been here 4.5 years and am married to a Korean national. I speak Korean at an intermediate level (this is relevant only because I have learned soooo much by being able to communicate with Koreans in their native tongue.) My husband would find it absolutely hilarious that I'm being called an apologist since I take issue with so many things that are supposed "Korean culture."
The thing is, we don't have to take offense so easily. Since I may be living out my life in this country, getting blazing upset every time I hear "Russia saram" or "migook saram" will likely shorten my life. Making enemies with my neighbours will also not make life here any more comfortable.
Also, just telling someone nicely that I can understand what they are saying and that I am not American, but I'm from Canada (or that I'm not Russian but am actually an English teacher) is extremely educational. They usually seem quite embarrassed to be caught, but at the same time they don't feel humiliated, and if I encounter that person again they are often quite friendly and happy to see me.
To me, this is the way to function as harmoniously as possible as an "outside person" in Korea. In fact, for me it is the way to function in pretty much any society.
Anyway, sorry if I was rude to you, Diver. As I said, you and I don't need to agree on this issue. I'm sure there are other things we would agree on, given the chance.
Disclaimer: When a Korean man on the street rudely says something including a certain nuance about Russian women, my response is considerably less cordial!!! |
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riverboy
Joined: 03 Jun 2003
Location: Incheon
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| Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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What bothers me about the whole thing is the fact that Koreans often say "Migook" with a condescending tone within a few feet and are oblivious to the fact that the other person may understand them. Imagine back home in Canada, someone blurting out "look ma! An Indian! WOW!" Plus fifty percent of the time it is said in a condescending manner.
When a young child says it, I have no problem, I simply tell them I am Canadian. When a teenager or adult says it directly in my presence with their belittling tone. I quickly give them a lesson in manners.
In the situation where I called the ajoshi a Japanese, all of his freinds thought it was Hilarious especially with the big team Canada Hockey Ball cap I had on my head.
We spent the rest of the day conversing as we met throughout our climb.
The only one offended, was the person who showed the total lack of cooth to mark me an American in the first place. If a korean asks me if I am American, then it is a different story. I tell them No, I am Canadian and am not offended. Why should I be. My disdain for America lies with hockey, baseball, Bushie and American Foriegn policy. Not American People. |
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anomi
Joined: 16 Oct 2003
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| Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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| uberscheisse wrote: |
| can someone who is more adept please post how to say "no, i'm not russian, i'm ________ and you are very rude" in both hangeul and phonetic romanized korean? i'd like it to print and give to my attractive female friends... |
This may be a bit too polite for some people's sentiments, but here it is:
�ƴϿ� ���� ���þ� ��� �ƴմϴ�. �������� ������ �����.
Aniyo, na-neun Russia saram animnida. Ajosshi-neun baw-reu-shee eopsoyo.
No, I am not Russian. You, sir, have no manners. |
Wonderful! |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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| anomi wrote: |
| Son Deureo! wrote: |
| uberscheisse wrote: |
| can someone who is more adept please post how to say "no, i'm not russian, i'm ________ and you are very rude" in both hangeul and phonetic romanized korean? i'd like it to print and give to my attractive female friends... |
This may be a bit too polite for some people's sentiments, but here it is:
�ƴϿ� ���� ���þ� ��� �ƴմϴ�. �������� ������ �����.
Aniyo, na-neun Russia saram animnida. Ajosshi-neun baw-reu-shee eopsoyo.
No, I am not Russian. You, sir, have no manners. |
Wonderful! |
How about adding....."And why don't you go home to your family??!!" |
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Corporal
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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| casey's moon wrote: |
| My husband would find it absolutely hilarious that I'm being called an apologist since I take issue with so many things that are supposed "Korean culture." |
Same here. |
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casey's moon
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: Daejeon
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| Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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| riverboy wrote: |
What bothers me about the whole thing is the fact that Koreans often say "Migook" with a condescending tone within a few feet and are oblivious to the fact that the other person may understand them. Imagine back home in Canada, someone blurting out "look ma! An Indian! WOW!" Plus fifty percent of the time it is said in a condescending manner.
When a young child says it, I have no problem, I simply tell them I am Canadian. When a teenager or adult says it directly in my presence with their belittling tone. I quickly give them a lesson in manners.
In the situation where I called the ajoshi a Japanese, all of his freinds thought it was Hilarious especially with the big team Canada Hockey Ball cap I had on my head.
We spent the rest of the day conversing as we met throughout our climb.
The only one offended, was the person who showed the total lack of cooth to mark me an American in the first place. If a korean asks me if I am American, then it is a different story. I tell them No, I am Canadian and am not offended. Why should I be. My disdain for America lies with hockey, baseball, Bushie and American Foriegn policy. Not American People. |
I like your last sentence as I feel very much the same way. But actually, I've rarely heard the term "migook saram" used as an insult in regards to me. This difference may be due to the fact that I'm female and you're male. American men (or Canadian men mistaken as Americans) seem to be seen as the enemy much more than American women. Anyway, I wouldn't have done the same as you in the same situation, but obviously it worked out for you. I guess a lot depends on the particular context. |
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riverboy
Joined: 03 Jun 2003
Location: Incheon
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| Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 1:16 am Post subject: |
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I hear you. Most of the time, it does not bother me in the least. It's simply the indigmnant manner in which it is addressed. All to often it is as if you are some a sub species incapable of comprehending their languge. It happened yesterday, when I went to the park to shoot some baskets, and last week while I was shopping. It the park, I didn't reply because they were old women and have not had the exposure. But the other day al Home plus, a middleschool punk with his brother and father said it in a completley dissrespectful tone as he practically tried to shove me out of his path. I let him know his error, told him he was rude and told his father that he had a rude son. In that case, I was pissed. With the ajoshi on the mountain, I was not really insulted as I thought I would throw his ignorance back at him.
As much as I love it here, and adore my wife, I get fed up with the faxt that Korea still is so backward when it comes to race. In fact, they are only now allowing mixed Korean men into the army. That says something.
Can you imagine someone in Canada saying " hmm a negro, isn't that something?" while walking past a black guy? |
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casey's moon
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: Daejeon
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| Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 3:11 am Post subject: |
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| On a related but divergent tangent.... one of my 8 year old students decided to colour the girl on his mini-book dark skinned and black haired. I didn't ask, but he offered the information that she was a "waygook saram." Another student said (in Korean) that some foreigners are white too, like Casey'smoon teacher, and some were black. This was all said very matter of fact with no stupid jokes or giggling. It was.... SHOCKING. It was the first time I've seen kids display racial tolerance and acceptance to that degree. I was impressed with my enlightened students (not enlightened by me either as I've only been there a month and only spend half an hour a day with them.) |
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riverboy
Joined: 03 Jun 2003
Location: Incheon
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| Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 3:17 am Post subject: |
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Now that's nice news CM. Sound like I shopuld be listening to some Dylan right now. "Come gather round people
Where ever you roam
and admit that these walls
around you have grown
Aw never mind |
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casey's moon
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: Daejeon
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| Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 3:24 am Post subject: |
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Ack! That's weird... I was listening to a Dylan compilation today, including that song... what are the chances?
And who would have thought a thread called "hooker hassles" would come to this?
It's a funny funny world.  |
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riverboy
Joined: 03 Jun 2003
Location: Incheon
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| Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 4:16 am Post subject: |
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Wow! Messagebaord soul mates perhaps 
It's funny you are one of the few posters on this borad who I seem to think on the same level. And we are married do Koreans to boot.
If that picture is you then, we are both Blondes.
Cheers Casey's Moon. I like you. |
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riverboy
Joined: 03 Jun 2003
Location: Incheon
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| Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 4:16 am Post subject: |
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Wow! Messagebaord soul mates perhaps
It's funny you are one of the few posters on this borad who I seem to think on the same level. And we are married do Koreans to boot.
If that picture is you then, we are both Blondes.
Cheers Casey's Moon. I like you. |
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vlcupper
Joined: 12 Aug 2004
Location: Gangnam
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| Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 4:40 am Post subject: |
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| riverboy wrote: |
Wow! Messagebaord soul mates perhaps
It's funny you are one of the few posters on this borad who I seem to think on the same level. And we are married do Koreans to boot.
If that picture is you then, we are both Blondes.
Cheers Casey's Moon. I like you. |
You repeated yourself. |
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vlcupper
Joined: 12 Aug 2004
Location: Gangnam
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| Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 4:40 am Post subject: |
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| riverboy wrote: |
Wow! Messagebaord soul mates perhaps
It's funny you are one of the few posters on this borad who I seem to think on the same level. And we are married do Koreans to boot.
If that picture is you then, we are both Blondes.
Cheers Casey's Moon. I like you. |
You repeated yourself. |
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