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Pyongshin Sangja
Joined: 20 Apr 2003
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| All Canadians who obtain a University position think they're better than everyone else. |
I don't think I'm better than everyone else, I just wouldn't be in this country anymore if I had to teach kids full time. I don't hate kids, and frankly, teaching freshmen is a lot like teaching high school. Going to a uni was a necessary move for me, and it's one that I think most people would enjoy. Several of my oldest friends here also work with me, it's cool. Korea is a status-mad society, saying that you are a uni teacher gets you a lot more breaks than being in a hagwon as well. Public school jobs? Well, I've never done it. I could see how it could be fun, but I kinda got tired of being around kids all day. It's just the way I am, maybe I'm just getting old. |
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dogbert
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| Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 2:20 am Post subject: |
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| Weren't you the guy who just moved back to Vancouver? |
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Pyongshin Sangja
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| Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 2:21 am Post subject: |
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| No, it wasn't a move. I went home for 6 weeks. I was always planning on coming back here. I'll go home for the summer, too. Couldn't do that if I weren't a uni teacher. It's a good lifestyle for me right now, what else can I say? |
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dogbert
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| Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 2:23 am Post subject: |
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| Pyongshin Sangja wrote: |
| No, it wasn't a move. I went home for 6 weeks. I was always planning on coming back here. I'll go home for the summer, too. Couldn't do that if I weren't a uni teacher. It's a good lifestyle for me right now, what else can I say? |
Ah, OK. Sounds great! |
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Pyongshin Sangja
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| Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 2:25 am Post subject: |
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| Algaesumnidaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. |
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the_beaver
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 2:29 am Post subject: |
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| Derrek wrote: |
How about this one....
All Canadians who obtain a University position think they're better than everyone else.
If i said that, do you think you'd fit it? |
Nope. Wouldn't fit in. I don't think I'm better I think the job's better and I actually do my damnedest to help people get university positions. |
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Daechidong Waygookin
Joined: 22 Nov 2004
Location: No Longer on Dave's. Ive quit.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 4:43 am Post subject: |
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| Another reason is that illegals flooding the job market drives wages down for all of us. |
This has been coming up a lot lately. Beyond this being a supply/demand theory, there is no actual industry-wide proof of this is actually occurring. If it was, this place would be full of 1st and 2nd hand testimonies of salary undercutting over the years, so much that the mods would have to create a separate forum for it. And the hogwans would be the first to feel the pinch, before us, if supply outstripped demand. You would see a pre-emptive rash of emphasis and over-stating of the 'no teaching illegals' clause in contracts, plus a lot more teachers getting canned for teaching privates. There would be a lot of alarm signals going off, if it was a big enough issue that it was starting to affect directors' enrollment numbers, and subsequently, teacher's salaries. It's not. Because it's just another Eslcafe paranoid concoction, based on speculation. Just like all the overblown ES and Konkuk University 'day of reckoning' threads, and the 'arabs are congregating around Itaewon. Expect a terrorist attack this week' thread, plus countless other overblown crap that gets spun on here. All the Chicken Little stuff was cute at one point, but now its just starting to look pathetic.
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| The more illegals are caught the more we ALL appear illegal to the average Korean. |
You don't think that the avg Korean who happens to watch Sex And The City or Q.ueer As Folk, is not going to apply those impressions the next time they size up a foreigner? Koreans know that we are no spring chickens, based on the programming, news, and media that makes its way into the country. A page 18 article in the Joongang Ilbo about some english teachers and factory workers getting busted, is going to register as a fly on an elephant's back, compared to the sea of impressions that they get on us elsewhere. If you're that concerned about how the avg Korean views you, then go beat your chest in OCN or AFN's offices. |
I know you make good money, so maybe you hacent noticed, but salaries havent exactly been rising over the last 4 years. Not at hagwons anyway.
Hoa many Koreans watch Sex and the City or Queer as Folk? I dont think many do. I do know that MANY MORE watch the 9 o'clock news or visit sites like Naver where the issue of illegal teachers has been brought up often lately. |
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Daechidong Waygookin
Joined: 22 Nov 2004
Location: No Longer on Dave's. Ive quit.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 4:45 am Post subject: |
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Things like this have been bothering me for a while. It's not *beep* everybody.
Derek constantly says 'all Canadians' this and 'all Canadians' that but the things he describes I don't do or say.
Several people say this board has mainly anti-Korean posters but a good number of us are pretty positive.
Now this one. I 've never said anything against illegal teaching or teachers. |
How about this one....
All Canadians who obtain a University position think they're better than everyone else.
If i said that, do you think you'd fit it? |
University positions are OVERRATED. |
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the_beaver
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 4:46 am Post subject: |
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| Daechidong Waygookin wrote: |
| University positions are OVERRATED. |
Some are. But I can't think of any place I'd rather work. |
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Daechidong Waygookin
Joined: 22 Nov 2004
Location: No Longer on Dave's. Ive quit.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 4:57 am Post subject: |
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| the_beaver wrote: |
| Daechidong Waygookin wrote: |
| University positions are OVERRATED. |
Some are. But I can't think of any place I'd rather work. |
I have yet to see a Uni that matches my conditions at my public school. The only thing that they have is more vacation, but after being off from the start of January and having 2 more weeks of vacation I can clearly say that I dont want any more vacation. Im looking forward to getting back to work. |
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susmin
Joined: 04 May 2003
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| Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 5:02 am Post subject: illegal anyone |
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| Just want to make the point that people are not allowed to work outside of their visas in most countries, not just Korea. In the states, people can easily be deported if caught with illegal employment. |
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Pyongshin Sangja
Joined: 20 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 5:05 am Post subject: |
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| University positions are OVERRATED. |
Yeah, you're right. I quit. Back to paddycake paddycake for me. |
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Sage Monkey
Joined: 01 Nov 2004
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ANOTHER cohiba troll hit and run.  |
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Daechidong Waygookin
Joined: 22 Nov 2004
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| Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 5:16 am Post subject: |
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| Pyongshin Sangja wrote: |
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| University positions are OVERRATED. |
Yeah, you're right. I quit. Back to paddycake paddycake for me. |
Hey, if you are happy with your 2.1 and your dorm room apartment, Im happy for you. |
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the_beaver
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 5:21 am Post subject: |
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| Daechidong Waygookin wrote: |
| the_beaver wrote: |
| Daechidong Waygookin wrote: |
| University positions are OVERRATED. |
Some are. But I can't think of any place I'd rather work. |
I have yet to see a Uni that matches my conditions at my public school. The only thing that they have is more vacation, but after being off from the start of January and having 2 more weeks of vacation I can clearly say that I dont want any more vacation. Im looking forward to getting back to work. |
Well, let's compare.
Students:
no kids (that's subjective but important to me) and generally a pretty good lot of students that I really enjoy.
Hours:
12 + 2 office hours with incredible opportunities for overtime (which I generally don't take). No sitting around doing nothing.
Flexibility/opportunity:
The school actively solicits new class proposals and I get to teach a wide range of subjects beyond freshman English.
The school accepts and considers proposals about materials and teacher development and equipment.
Vacation:
5 months. But, if I want to work instead I can. Then I'd make a ton in overtime. Many teachers double their salaries during vacation and last year I tripled it one month (although I generally prefer to take the time off to pursue other interests).
Health Care:
On campus hospital which gives large employee discounts on top the national health care price.
There are a few teachers I know here with better conditions but they all work in universities and all of my friends who have moved into university positions think they're the cat's ass. |
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