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Pyongshin Sangja
Joined: 20 Apr 2003
Location: I love baby!
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| Hey, if you are happy with your 2.1 and your dorm room apartment, Im happy for you. |
5 mill (on occasion), 24 pyong 2 bedroom, aircon, washer/dryer, luxurious location (Well, compared to...Manila.)
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| On campus hospital which gives large employee discounts on top the national health care price. |
Just how large do you have to be to get the discount?
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TECO
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 5:35 am Post subject: |
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Illegals don't bother me.
It is the behaviour of English teachers, legal or illegal, that can bother me at times. |
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chronicpride
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 5:41 am Post subject: |
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| Daechidong Waygookin wrote: |
I know you make good money, so maybe you hacent noticed, but salaries havent exactly been rising over the last 4 years. Not at hagwons anyway. |
4 years ago, we were also in the 1.9-2.1 range. Salaries haven't dropped in a fashion that one could point to suspected salary dilution brought on by an influx of illegal teachers, either. I would point to stagnant western economies over the past 4 years and therefore more applicants coming here, as being more of a catalyst behind any form of restraint against an increase in salaries, than I would about illegal teachers diluting the market.
Like I referred to earlier, if market dilution was occurring due to illegal teachers, en masse, you will see major battles within the Korean Hagwon Associations for internal policing of their members practices, and raising holy hell with Immigration for tougher policing of tourist visa offenders.
Some of these regional associations are no slouchs when getting their member base in line. I have personal relations and feedback with several members on the Daegu Association board and also the ex-chairman of the Korea Association board. The particular Daegu membership consists of 110 schools, and the board has achieved solidarity by implementing a maximum 1.9 salary for starting salaries, and has set further compliance controls within other areas of hogwan operations. Membership in the association looks favorably with the MoE and MoJ. If you are a director who breaks solidarity, then you are on your own, and can expect surprise visits from MoE reps checking payroll, pyeong sizes, and other miscellaneous compliance issues. You can be damn sure that if there was a trend of undercutting salaries by the hiring of illegals by the hogwan membership or non-members, you will see the Associations' collective clout force the respective ministries to lay the smack down hard on selected schools.
And it shouldn't be any surprise that the govt has a pretty good idea of which school doors to knock on, when they need to round up some illegals to make good press, given their reliance on the Associations to keep tabs on the ongoings of their industry associates.
Point being, greedy hogwan directors have a lot to lose from teacher salary dilution and the ensuing tuition fee price wars with each other, and have the internal clout to make sure it doesn't get out of hand.
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Hoa many Koreans watch Sex and the City or *beep* as Folk? I dont think many do. I do know that MANY MORE watch the 9 o'clock news or visit sites like Naver where the issue of illegal teachers has been brought up often lately. |
Ok, well, let's expand on the two choices of programs that I selected as examples, and emphasize my point of western pop culture and programming, in general, and it's infiltration over the years into the households around the country. They already have opinions formed of us, before they flip to pg 18 of the Ilbo to read about a teacher with a fake degree getting busted. Pg 18 is going to resonate like a fart in a windstorm, when it comes to forming any new opinions of us.
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chronicpride
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 5:45 am Post subject: |
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| Daechidong Waygookin wrote: |
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| University positions are OVERRATED. |
Some are. But I can't think of any place I'd rather work. |
I have yet to see a Uni that matches my conditions at my public school. The only thing that they have is more vacation, but after being off from the start of January and having 2 more weeks of vacation I can clearly say that I dont want any more vacation. Im looking forward to getting back to work. |
Well, let's compare.
Students:
no kids (that's subjective but important to me) and generally a pretty good lot of students that I really enjoy.
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12 + 2 office hours with incredible opportunities for overtime (which I generally don't take). No sitting around doing nothing.
Flexibility/opportunity:
The school actively solicits new class proposals and I get to teach a wide range of subjects beyond freshman English.
The school accepts and considers proposals about materials and teacher development and equipment.
Vacation:
5 months. But, if I want to work instead I can. Then I'd make a ton in overtime. Many teachers double their salaries during vacation and last year I tripled it one month (although I generally prefer to take the time off to pursue other interests).
Health Care:
On campus hospital which gives large employee discounts on top the national health care price.
There are a few teachers I know here with better conditions but they all work in universities and all of my friends who have moved into university positions think they're the cat's ass. |
I think we can settle this here.
Beaver do you teach any splits? and DW how many hours do you go between your previously stated split shifts? |
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Blind Willie
Joined: 05 May 2004
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| Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 5:46 am Post subject: |
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| Why Does Everyone Hate Illegal Teachers? |
They shot my dog. |
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Ilsanman
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea
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| Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 7:25 am Post subject: yes |
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I dont like people with no degrees. I like the degree restriction here...keeps muttonheads who can't speak proper English from coming here. Also keeps 18 and 19 year olds away.
I dont care if degree holders work privates. There are enough jobs to go around. |
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Derrek
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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But at a University, how many students do you have, and are you including paper/test grading in your total workload?
Actually, I got called about a University position, and am kicking myself for recently signing with my school again.
It was a womens' University, too.
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panthermodern
Joined: 08 Feb 2003
Location: Taxronto
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| Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 8:29 am Post subject: |
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Long long ago when I first started teaching in Korea I worked in a rather rural area ...
There were two "major" schools in the area which competed for the elementary school market.
My school, with me hired under an E-2 visa all legal, and the other school had 3 illegal teachers, who were not.
I had a constant battle with my boss because he expected me to work under the conditions that his competitors teacher would, he basically was always trying to break the terms of my contract.
I came to find out that these three fine guys were not only working illegally but had not been paid in full for a few months and were unable to get better working conditions because they were unable to qualify for a "real" job.
Anyway, these three guys, because they were working illegally (basically working for their apartment) and making "money" on the side teaching privates and not having contracts made life for myself and the other teachers in the area's life more difficult.
My Opinion:
Illegal teachers are illegal for a reason.
Their personal desperation cheapens us all. |
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Canucksaram
Joined: 29 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 1:05 pm Post subject: 5 mil for a uni position? |
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Pyongshin Sanja,
You stated 5 mil as your monthly income at a uni position. Is that your base pay (including overtime)? Or is it your aggregate income from all forms of tutoring you do (wink, wink)?
Regards,
-Canucksaram
(Still got the general outfit? And who was it you were with on Hallowe'en night? Sissy or Cece or Missy or...? I can't remember the name, exactly.) |
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the_beaver
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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| chronicpride wrote: |
I think we can settle this here.
Beaver do you teach any splits? and DW how many hours do you go between your previously stated split shifts? |
I have had splits, but the upcoming semester is pretty good. Actually it was perfectly tight until I agreed yesterday to change the time of one class.
My sched (including office hours):
Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday: 11:00~3:00
Thursday: nada
Friday: 10:00~11:00, 12:00~5:00
But, this is a great schedule. |
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the_beaver
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Derrek wrote: |
But at a University, how many students do you have, and are you including paper/test grading in your total workload?
Actually, I got called about a University position, and am kicking myself for recently signing with my school again.
It was a womens' University, too.
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I generally have about 100 students a semester. I would estimate about 120 this semester but I don't know yet.
I'm not including paper/test grading in my workload because, well, that's teaching. Papers and tests are completely up to the individual teachers in any case. Personally, including planning and grading, I think I could tack another 20 hours onto my schedule, but that's by choice and, in my opinion, that's part of teaching. |
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Daechidong Waygookin
Joined: 22 Nov 2004
Location: No Longer on Dave's. Ive quit.
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Too much free time. I like being at work, atleast Im not bored.
I dont work splits. I usually teach from 9am-12:10, sometimes I teach one class after lunch. When Im done I have office time and I go home after 4. It adds up to about 3.5 hours of actual teaching a day. There is some preparation but I have used my vacation productively and I planned all of my lessons up until October of this year.
Vacation time is sweet. 2 months since January, another month in the summer. 2.5 million salary and the best thing is the apartment. I also like the kids. Its easier to teach kids than adults IMO. |
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Daechidong Waygookin
Joined: 22 Nov 2004
Location: No Longer on Dave's. Ive quit.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Hey, if you are happy with your 2.1 and your dorm room apartment, Im happy for you. |
5 mill (on occasion), 24 pyong 2 bedroom, aircon, washer/dryer, luxurious location (Well, compared to...Manila.)
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| On campus hospital which gives large employee discounts on top the national health care price. |
Just how large do you have to be to get the discount? |
Do you live in a villa or a highrise? As for luxurious location, is it in Kangnam? |
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the_beaver
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Too much free time. I like being at work, atleast Im not bored. |
Too much free time is the lamest thing I hear (and it comes up occasionally).
I'm almost never bored. I was bored once a couple of years ago and it was such a strange experience that it stands out. During this holiday I'm studying Korean full time. During the semester I study other academic things. I travel. I go to hapkido. I write. I read. I do mad-teacher creative things. I put more time in lesson planning and grading.
As a matter of fact, one of the things I'm fond of telling me students is that bored people are usually boring people. |
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Daechidong Waygookin
Joined: 22 Nov 2004
Location: No Longer on Dave's. Ive quit.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Daechidong Waygookin wrote: |
| Too much free time. I like being at work, atleast Im not bored. |
Too much free time is the lamest thing I hear (and it comes up occasionally).
I'm almost never bored. I was bored once a couple of years ago and it was such a strange experience that it stands out. During this holiday I'm studying Korean full time. During the semester I study other academic things. I travel. I go to hapkido. I write. I read. I do mad-teacher creative things. I put more time in lesson planning and grading.
As a matter of fact, one of the things I'm fond of telling me students is that bored people are usually boring people. |
Well, I like the work environment and as I said, I prefer kids to adults. Adults come with all kinds of attitude problems that kids dont have. Sunds like you have a good job, though I doubt if its typical of university positions. The ones Ive seen advertised on Daves, I wouldnt touch with a 10 foot pole. A few caught my eye.
How is your apartment?
As for the free time. I have had 2 months in winter. I did all the things you said. Studied, worked out, planned my ass off. In the end, Im looking forward to getting back into my routine. |
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