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Is there a Korean equivalent to Bean-O? *HELP*
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jaderedux



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Lurking outside Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Curious I thought vegans only ate veggies, fruit, beans and such. No animal products at all just curious.

Back in my rebel days I was a vegan and didn't use any animal products at all.

Just curious ...so many labels....so little time.

Jade the curious.
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pet lover



Joined: 02 Jan 2004
Location: not in Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jaderedux,

What did I say I am eating that has animal in it? Seriously, please tell me. I'm new at this and completely astonished at what all has animal in it. The only thing I KNOW I'm still eating that has animal is honey. I'm not giving that up because I think it is still better for me than sugar (which has bone char anyhow) and I need SOMETHING sweet to put in my oatmeal.

I'm still crushed that my nature's valley cinnamon granola bar has animal products in it. I have a huge box of them I got from Costco that hasn't even been opened yet and half of another box of them. Sad
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peppermint



Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.

PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why not just be vegetarian for a while and let your body adjust to that before taking the last few steps? Personally I like my life too much to spend it reading labels looking for trace amounts of animal, but I respect people with the discipline to do that.
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jaderedux



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Lurking outside Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Geez touchy. I am sorry I didn't mean to imply you were eating dairy. I was just curious.

So Vegan means ONLY fruits, veggies, legumes and the like. No animal or animal byproduct at all.

Be very careful if you eat Korean food they always try to sneak some meat in.....have a veggie friend and they aer always trying to convince her that ham and fish are NOT meat.

Jade the contrite
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xtchr



Joined: 23 Nov 2004

PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pet lover;

if by oatmeal you mean porridge then throw a few raisins or sultanas in after it's cooked. Nice and sweet and no need to add sugar. By the way, what is bone char, and why would it be in sugar?

Also, where abouts in Korea are you? I'll gladly take those granola bars off your hands Very Happy
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pet lover



Joined: 02 Jan 2004
Location: not in Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Xtchr, I'm north of Seoul. You any where near?

Jaderedux, By asking a question for clarification, I'm touchy? I'll try not to ask you any more questions! Laughing

Peppermint, the main difference I've found between vegetarian and vegan is dairy. Since I've discovered that dairy makes me sick, I figured, why not go whole hog? Hmmm...will need to learn some new expressions. Smile But, yeah, it's pretty tough. However, the results are so fantastic that it's totally worth it. For me, anyway. Smile
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xtchr



Joined: 23 Nov 2004

PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pet lover, no, sadly I'm nowhere near Seoul. Was worth a shot though.
Best of luck with the new diet.
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The Hammer



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Ullungdo 37.5 N, 130.9 E, altitude : 223 m

PostPosted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 12:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eat a lot of kimchee. Kimchee cures everything. Besides kimchee farts don't stink.




(Sorry... I can't help myself sometimes.)
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pet lover



Joined: 02 Jan 2004
Location: not in Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hammer,

I'll never be hardcore enough to eat kimchi. Blech~!

By the way, I'm working on convincing some of my kids that if there was a such thing as kimchi candy and if they ate it, it would make their teeth whiter and eliminate all cavities. Think they'll believe me? Laughing
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Son Deureo!



Joined: 30 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 5:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pet lover, believe it or not, there really are kimchi chocolates. They sell them at the Incheon and Cheju airports. I can't imagine who the hell eats them, though, and I'm sure they still cause cavities.

BTW, if you really want to be vegan, you shouldn't eat kimchi either unless you know who is making it. Most kimchi is made with ������, teeny-tiny fermented shrimp. That's what gives it that fishy taste sometimes.
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Tiberious aka Sparkles



Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: I'm one cool cat!

PostPosted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 5:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Son Deureo! wrote:
Pet lover, believe it or not, there really are kimchi chocolates. They sell them at the Incheon and Cheju airports. I can't imagine who the hell eats them, though...


Probably the same type of person who loves fruitcake and chocolates with that awful orange crap inside.

Sparkles*_*
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Tiberious aka Sparkles



Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: I'm one cool cat!

PostPosted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 5:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

An honest question for vegans:

While staying away from meat and anything else which contains animal bi-products, do you also weave/sew/knit your own clothing, or do you wear shirts, pants and dresses manufactured in countries in South America, Southeast Asia and elsewhere, where the workers who make these clothes -- actual human beings -- are subjected to abjectly cruel injustices?

Sparkles*_*
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red dog



Joined: 31 Oct 2004

PostPosted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 7:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tiberious asked:

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While staying away from meat and anything else which contains animal bi-products, do you also weave/sew/knit your own clothing, or do you wear shirts, pants and dresses manufactured in countries in South America, Southeast Asia and elsewhere, where the workers who make these clothes -- actual human beings -- are subjected to abjectly cruel injustices?


Well at this point I would describe myself as a near-vegan rather than a perfect vegan, but I do make every effort to avoid animal products (i.e., I would never intentionally eat an obvious one such as a piece of cheese). It's very important to me to do the best I can. Eating a plant-based diet really doesn't take much effort once you get started, but IMO it's really not reasonable to expect people to weave their own clothes. Is this what you do? If not, why would you hold vegans (or near-vegans) to a higher standard?

If you know of a store in Seoul that sells fair trade clothing or in some other way can be proved to abide by more ethical practices than others, I'd be interested in hearing about it. When I lived in Canada (and when I traveled in the U.S.), most of my clothes were secondhand and I tried to look for shoes from special eco-friendly companies when I had a chance. I'm not quite as picky about those things now, but if YOU open up the store, I guess we'll all have more choices.

A while back I had a chance to talk to one of the people leading the Fair Trade campaign here in Korea. This woman has travelled to many of the countries where workers are treated in ways you describe, and has talked to them and spent years educating herself about these issues. Even she doesn't weave all her own clothing and couldn't provide any simple answers to this problem. What is your solution?

Pet lover, best of luck. I think certain combinations of foods can be more gas-producing than others, and missing a meal once in a while might possibly help. I don't think the sugar industry is a major contributor to animal slaughter but it's certainly not eco-friendly or health-supporting either. These days a lot of the stores have organic maple syrup, organic brown sugars and all-fruit jams -- but from a health POV all sweeteners have their downside, and I think they all tend to cause gas when combined with starchy foods.
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Global



Joined: 17 Feb 2005

PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2005 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Pet Lover,

I'm new to the forum and have been following this thread. I've been vegan for about 3 years and my wife for about 4. I can tell you that I experienced a lot more gas when I first made the change (although mine was probably less drastic being a vegetarian first for a few months). In my experience that goes away. I think that your body adapts to the high fiber content your diet. In any case you have made a great choice and believe me your colon will thank you in the years to come. Since becoming vegan I have lost over 25 pounds and have more energy then ever before. If you are looking info beyond what your body is telling you read Food Revolution by John Robbins. I'm reading it right now and I'm blown away!

Tiberious,

I actually became vegan as a result of my pursuits towards fair labour. I will exhaust every option that I can to try and find clothing and other products made in an environment where the workers are not exploited. As a result a mainly buy second hand goods, and from companies that do some form of independent monitoring of their production facilities. Basically I do as much research as I can before I chose to spend my dollar. Am I 100% perfect? No, but I try to do the best that I can given the money that I have. As for how that made me vegan, I just figured how can I can I consider myself a compassionate person when I know the meat in my next meal probably comes from an animal living in constant pain and it is so easy for me to not eat meat. People have this idea that a vegan or vegetarian diet is really hard to maintain and for the first few months it is. But once you become accustomed to eating a plant based diet it is amazing how good you feel and how little you miss the things you used to eat.

Cheers
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red dog



Joined: 31 Oct 2004

PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2005 5:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Global,

Seriously, if you have any info about ethical clothing companies I'd be very interested in looking into it. I'm under the impression there aren't a lot of them around. I know here in Korea you can get secondhand clothes at the Beautiful Store, but they don't seem to have the kind of selection available at thrift shops back in North America.
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