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casey's moon
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: Daejeon
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 Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 3:34 pm Post subject: is this kind of private lesson legal? |
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My school day at the kindergarten is quite short, so my director has me teaching her middle-school aged nephew for 40 minutes twice a week. Is this legal? It was started with the previous teacher, and I was aware of it before I signed the contract. I like the kid enough, but his schedule doesn't fit very nicely into mine, and I'm also rather uncomforrtable with the feeling that they're using me. They also tried to get me to teach the kitchen ajumma's son for a month, but as that wasn't part of the previous teacher's arrangement I had no trouble saying, "uhh, more work for no extra pay? no thanks."
I love my job, and the director and other staff are usually quite good and I don't want to cause trouble. Just curious about others opinions on the legality of the situation and how others might handle it.
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Daechidong Waygookin
Joined: 22 Nov 2004
Location: No Longer on Dave's. Ive quit.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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| If its at your hagwon then ofcourse its legal. |
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Pyongshin Sangja
Joined: 20 Apr 2003
Location: I love baby!
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| Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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| It depends on the location. If they are sending you elsewhere to do it, this conflicts with the terms of your visa. I taught my old director's two kids every day along with the rest of the kids, it seemed normal to me. |
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casey's moon
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
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| Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Daechidong Waygookin wrote: |
| If its at your hagwon then ofcourse its legal. |
I don't really get why you say "of course." Unless you're saying "of course" in the Korean way where it doesn't really mean anything....??? |
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casey's moon
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: Daejeon
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| Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Pyongshin Sangja wrote: |
| It depends on the location. If they are sending you elsewhere to do it, this conflicts with the terms of your visa. I taught my old director's two kids every day along with the rest of the kids, it seemed normal to me. |
It is at the school, but the student is not a kindergarten student.... the school is a kindergarten.... it's outside of regular school hours. I also teach the director's son, but that's during kindergarten hours and with other students, so yes -- I agree that situation is normal. But the nephew is basically getting a free private lesson, and he is otherwise not a student at the kindergarten....
Anyway, thanks for the feedback. (and for yours too, D.W.) |
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tzechuk
Joined: 20 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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Casey, I think anything they ask you to do on the premises is legal...
What is clear is - if you don't do it, your director won't be very nice to you  |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 12:02 am Post subject: |
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"Casey, I think anything they ask you to do on the premises is legal..."
Anything?
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FUBAR
Joined: 21 Oct 2003
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| Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 12:53 am Post subject: |
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| casey's moon wrote: |
| Daechidong Waygookin wrote: |
| If its at your hagwon then ofcourse its legal. |
I don't really get why you say "of course." Unless you're saying "of course" in the Korean way where it doesn't really mean anything....??? |
I think they mean that because the Kindergarten is listed on your E2 as your place of employment, thus allowing you to teach there.
I don't see how it would be a problem for you, unless there is some sort of government law that prevents Kindergartens from educating other age groups on their premises. Nevertheless, it's only a class iwth the director's nephew and now a full sized class per se. Me thinks your are getting worked up over nothing.
If I had to place a guess I would say that what your doing is quasi-legal. |
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Derrek
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:20 am Post subject: |
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| There is no problem at all if you are teaching at the place listed on your E-2. The only problems you might ever have (and it would be one for your boss, not you) is if you were teaching classes past 10pm. Some schools do this, although I heard that is illegal. The gov't had to put a cap on the hours, otherwise some Korean parents would make their kids study all night with little or no sleep. No joke. |
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kangnamdragon
Joined: 17 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 3:13 am Post subject: |
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| If it is at the school and before 10 p.m., it is legal. |
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tzechuk
Joined: 20 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 3:45 am Post subject: |
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| Real Reality wrote: |
"Casey, I think anything they ask you to do on the premises is legal..."
Anything?
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Teaching related, of course |
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casey's moon
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: Daejeon
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| Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 4:20 am Post subject: |
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FUBAR, I'm not worked up. I'm just curious. I think quasi-legal is what this is, as you suggested. I also think they know that it isn't quite on the up and up as they sometimes have me do the class in their home (top floor of the kindergarten), and those are times when I believe officials are visiting. I didn't think too much about that until today.
I don't have an E-2, but an F-2-1 and the kindy is listed on my registration card. I don't think that makes any difference, but thought I'd mention it.
The main reason I brought this up is that when the kid's new semester starts we'll have to make a new schedule, and I'm kind of hoping to just get out of it entirely.
My situation in Korea is different from the majority of posters on this board -- I can leave my job and change to a new one with a month's notice -- or even take a break completely, so I have no need to get worked up over this kind of thing. Just wanted to know, that's all.
Thanks everyone! |
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tzechuk
Joined: 20 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 4:45 am Post subject: |
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| casey's moon wrote: |
| I don't have an E-2, but an F-2-1 and the kindy is listed on my registration card. I don't think that makes any difference, but thought I'd mention it. |
Yes. The reason is that for us married to Koreans, we don't need a work visa, we just need *permission* to work, so they just put this little permission stamp in the passport and write it in your ARC. Good to be married to one of the countryman/woman for this reason because they very rarely refuse to give you permission.
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Pyongshin Sangja
Joined: 20 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 11:54 am Post subject: |
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| If you get busted for teaching a little kid after all the illegal stuff I have done here over the years, I WILL pay your fines. |
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casey's moon
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: Daejeon
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| Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Pyongshin Sangja wrote: |
| If you get busted for teaching a little kid after all the illegal stuff I have done here over the years, I WILL pay your fines. |
Well thanks, but I'm not concerned about getting busted. I'm making a little query because I wanted the information in case it seems like I'll have a chance to get out of the lesson.
And this isn't a little kid -- he's about 5 ft 11 and my lesson is one out of many that his family provides for him. Like I said, he's a nice kid -- but his parents are very wealthy, and they can certainly afford other options.
Thanks for the offer though |
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