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My job just went from good to bad.
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mog



Joined: 06 May 2004

PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 7:20 am    Post subject: My job just went from good to bad. Reply with quote

The premise here is that enrollment is down, as it is all over Korea. All the adults I was teaching left (although I picked one up late Friday). I only have two hours in class time on Tuesdays and Thursdays, and 5-5.5 hours on M-W-F all being spread out between 3:00-9:30 each day, give and take an hour starting/finish time.

On Friday, when I came in, she basically told me she has contracted me out to a nearby middle school for 3 or 4 classes a day that go from 9:30 AM to 1:30 PM starting in the middle of March.

She told me many hogwan owners are doing such a thing, but I thought I could only work within the hogwan.

Anyway, while Tuesdays and Thursdays won't be so bad, as one class can be changed so I'm out of there by 6:00, Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays will have me starting work at 9:10 and finishing around 9:35 with sporadic half hour breaks, with a ninety minute span between middle school and hogwan.

If I am paid overtime (as she said she would), it may be servicable, and I'll be only doing it a month (sucks to be my successor), so bad may not be the best term.

I'd like some thoughts, preferrably related to this post.
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teachingld2004



Joined: 29 Mar 2004

PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 7:50 am    Post subject: enrolment dropping Reply with quote

You can't work for the other school unless she puts it on your e-2.
just say "no".
Tell her that you will not do it unless she comes with you to immigration, and she puts the other school on your e-2, and if it cost any extra money to do that, she has to pay for it.

Just do NOT do it.
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Tiger Beer



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 7:54 am    Post subject: Re: My job just went from good to bad. Reply with quote

mog wrote:
I'd like some thoughts, preferrably related to this post.


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just because



Joined: 01 Aug 2003
Location: Changwon - 4964

PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 8:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You need an adjustment on your E-2 or it is illegal.

Tell them you are aware of this and know the legalities of the situation and won't work at another workplace until all the paperwork is taken care of.

It is quite possible your employer might not even be aware of this so state to them politley the sitaution.

If you get caught then it is good-bye mog.
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mog



Joined: 06 May 2004

PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 8:04 am    Post subject: Re: My job just went from good to bad. Reply with quote

Tiger Beer wrote:
mog wrote:
I'd like some thoughts, preferrably related to this post.


Evil or Very Mad

Yes, I've been on this board long enough to witness the hijacking of threads is VERY common.
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mog



Joined: 06 May 2004

PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 8:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

just because wrote:
You need an adjustment on your E-2 or it is illegal.

Tell them you are aware of this and know the legalities of the situation and won't work at another workplace until all the paperwork is taken care of.

It is quite possible your employer might not even be aware of this so state to them politley the sitaution.

If you get caught then it is good-bye mog.

That last statement there is what I was thinking. I'll tell her tomorrow that I'm concerned about the legality of it. "From what I remember, I can only legally work here. I remember you called immigration on the next door hagwon for the exact same thing." That bit is true, actually. Maybe she does know, since she actually told me a month in advance, not the day before.
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dulouz



Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: Uranus

PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 8:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

e2 is not altered - ARC is and passport is stamped with the same permission. turn your ARC over, the grid is where the new schools go.
Make sure you get it stamped, say no otherwise.
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just because



Joined: 01 Aug 2003
Location: Changwon - 4964

PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 8:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah my bad.....it is on the back of the ARC card, that is what I meant.
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Derrek



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 8:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It needs to look something like this:



Your boss is playing russian roulette, and it's your butt on the line. Recently, a recruiter shop farming out teachers to public schools was BUSTED big-time.

You will be next, as they are looking for exactly your type of situation -- schools and recruiters screwing with gov't money for their own benefit. Your boss is trying to cut her losses by having you, and still keep you around to teach her classes.

Don't do it. It's your future here that's on the line, as well as the money you already have (they might fine you anywhere from 500,000 on up if caught).
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mog



Joined: 06 May 2004

PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So even if I get the ARC stamped, it would still be illegal?

By the way, my ARC doesn't have anything on it, currently, if that means anything.

I understand why she's doing it, so that isn't an issue for me. I might be tempted to do the same thing in her position.
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Derrek



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 8:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mog wrote:
So even if I get the ARC stamped, it would still be illegal?

By the way, my ARC doesn't have anything on it, currently, if that means anything.

I understand why she's doing it, so that isn't an issue for me. I might be tempted to do the same thing in her position.



No, what I'm saying is that they're not going to approve it.

And before your boss gives you the "don't worry about it" excuse, remember that I was told the same thing by an employer two years ago. Two days later, immigration raided the school and I nearly got deported. Got a 500,000 won fine, and an exit order (essentially another 500,000 won fine since it cost me the air ticket to japan). Barely got a probationary 6 month E-2 at another school after that.

I was out of work for a month, and lost all income for that time period.


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mog



Joined: 06 May 2004

PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 8:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why wouldn't they approve it?
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Derrek



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Because that's the wacky law here. You can only work at one place. Period.

There are certain University people who can, but it's RARE. If your boss owned both schools, it might be possible, as well.

But in your case, I can most definately say it's a big fat NO.

You can get approval to do a summer camp, in many cases, IF you are not working at another location at the time. I think you must be on vacation from your main school. That's how I got my approval once. But it was only for 2 weeks.

Sorry.
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Grotto



Joined: 21 Mar 2004

PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have known several teachers who have gotten the stamp on the E2 to work at public schools without any problems.

Stay legal.
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peppermint



Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.

PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've had a dual E-2 as well. Right now, immigration should be generous with them, to encourage people to do things the legitimate way. We all know what should be isn't always what is here though.
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