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chronicpride
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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I think, (yes, sometimes I do that  ) that this is going to have a negative effect on ESLers across the board. Immigration is already implementing some new "regulations" and doing extra backgroud checks.
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For real? That's great, if so. But I checked the MoJ website and there was nothing on this recent development, and I spoke to a Korean Hagwon Association contact about this whole issue and how it might affect the industry, last week, and he said everything is going to remain status quo, based on his feedback from his MoJ contacts.  Now, I'm really confused. |
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bosintang
Joined: 01 Dec 2003
Location: In the pot with the rest of the mutts
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| Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Real Reality wrote: |
TV Program Warms Up Foreign Teacher Controversy
"...We must quickly deport all those low-quality foreign English teachers who try to pick up girls near Hongik University or Apgujeong." |
Where, oh where is the emphasis here?
"low-quality" -- So, the high-quality ones can stay?
"near Hongik University or Apgujeong" -- So, Itaewon, downtown and the rest of the country are safe?
"try to" -- So, if you succeed we'll let you stay here, but if you strike out with a girl, you're a$$ is on a plane?
I don't know why, but it's fun picking apart angry threats like these. Whether it's the Norks vowing to turn us all into strawberry jam or this bunch south of the 38th vowing to toss ex-pats en masse off the peninsula, I always get distracted by the muddle-headedness of the actual wording and never get around to fretting about being boiled in oil or whatever they're offering. |
Haha, I was thinking the same thing. If they have an agenda, they could at least *try* to hide it or pretend their connections show some kind of logic. It's too hard to be scared when you're busy laughing at how silly they sound. Maybe the people coming out with these cute little quips should drop their English lessons (they're probably failing anyways) and take up Logic 101, instead. |
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Gladiator
Joined: 23 May 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 10:50 pm Post subject: SBS |
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What struck me is the embittered gyopo who fooled the Korean nation into believing that he can't find work because wonjangnims prefer to hire white people. What nonsense. I have just had a look at the Korean jobs forum and noticed 10 jobs that were advertising jobs ONLY for gyopos. Isn't it strange that this programme didn;t feature this? Rather, this disgraceful piece of journalism misled Koreans into believing something that wasn't true. Hell, I should have applied for these gyopo jobs and sent the inevtiable rejection to the programme's producer! That gyopo reaked of failure and bitterness. A moron who told lies. Behold the lies!!!!
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True enough KB but it is true that in most cases(and my evidence is only anecdotal here) that Korean American teachers are actually paid less than their caucasian counterparts because most Korean hagwon customers either A.) Want a white foreigner or "United Nations" as part of the hagwon package (I'm paraphrasing a Kyopo interviewed in Richard Harris' book) and B.) hold very strong prejudices that for some reason are not 'quite' native speakers (and I'm quoting a Korean I worked with here).
Of course we have not created this abysmal situation for Korean American/Canadians. They can aportion blame onto the atrocious prejudice and discriminatory hiring practices of their fellow countrymen.
I absolutely agree that this scare mongering and scape goating of foreign teachers is, well, disgraceful and they would do better to place the blame for that Kyopo's beef in its rightful place at the door of (too) many Hagwon directors' offices. |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 12:33 am Post subject: |
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Most Viewed Stories (February 22, 2005) The Chosun Ilbo
1. TV Program Warms Up Foreign Teacher Controversy
Foreign teachers are once again the talk of the Internet. Saturday's edition of the SBS investigative program "I Want to Know That" reports English teachers in Korea engaging in sex with underage local girls, offering drugs to stu... National/Politics
2. Invasion of Privacy Degrades Korean Women Twice Over
Before the "entertainment x-file" hit cyberspace, the hot issue among local Netizens was a post by an English teacher in Korea who wrote that local women treated him like a king and were easy to sleep with. Oddly, however, it ... National/Politics
3. Korea's Top 50 Make W44 Trillion Profit
Korea��s top 50 corporations made an aggregated net profit of more than W44 trillion (about US$38.4 billion) last year. The country��s biggest companies each earned W880 billion in net profit on average, and with the exception o... Biz/Tech
4. S. Korean Abducted by North Writes for Help
The Abductees' Family Union said Sunday that a crewmember of a South Korean fishing boat captured by a North Korean patrol craft in January 1987 has pleaded to be rescued from the North. Im Guk-jae, 54, was on the Dongjin 27 when ... National/Politics
5. Time Smells Iran-N. Korea Missile Cooperation
There are signs that far from Pyongyang's claim that it has suspended missile tests, North Korea is obtaining the results from Iranian missile tests and using them to continue missile development, the U.S. current affairs magazi... National/Politics
http://english.chosun.com/rank/200502/20050222eng.html |
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inkoreaforgood
Joined: 15 Dec 2003
Location: Inchon
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| Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 12:37 am Post subject: Re: SBS |
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What struck me is the embittered gyopo who fooled the Korean nation into believing that he can't find work because wonjangnims prefer to hire white people. What nonsense. I have just had a look at the Korean jobs forum and noticed 10 jobs that were advertising jobs ONLY for gyopos. Isn't it strange that this programme didn;t feature this? Rather, this disgraceful piece of journalism misled Koreans into believing something that wasn't true. Hell, I should have applied for these gyopo jobs and sent the inevtiable rejection to the programme's producer! That gyopo reaked of failure and bitterness. A moron who told lies. Behold the lies!!!!
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True enough KB but it is true that in most cases(and my evidence is only anecdotal here) that Korean American teachers are actually paid less than their caucasian counterparts because most Korean hagwon customers either A.) Want a white foreigner or "United Nations" as part of the hagwon package (I'm paraphrasing a Kyopo interviewed in Richard Harris' book) and B.) hold very strong prejudices that for some reason are not 'quite' native speakers (and I'm quoting a Korean I worked with here).
Of course we have not created this abysmal situation for Korean American/Canadians. They can aportion blame onto the atrocious prejudice and discriminatory hiring practices of their fellow countrymen.
I absolutely agree that this scare mongering and scape goating of foreign teachers is, well, disgraceful and they would do better to place the blame for that Kyopo's beef in its rightful place at the door of (too) many Hagwon directors' offices. |
Apparently, the kyopo, Peter Park, is suddenly quite popular. This is owing to Korean pity, poor Kyopo can't get a good job because of foreigners/bad Koreans. I don't get it. Didn't they see his house? his degree from an American university? the fact that he can speak English and Korean? Why is he trying to teach English, when he has a degree in Business Admin, and can speak 2 languages with great proficiency? Doesn't anyone else think this is odd? |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 4:02 am Post subject: Re: SBS |
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| True enough KB but it is true that in most cases(and my evidence is only anecdotal here) that Korean American teachers are actually paid less than their caucasian counterparts because most Korean hagwon customers either A.) Want a white foreigner or "United Nations" as part of the hagwon package (I'm paraphrasing a Kyopo interviewed in Richard Harris' book) and B.) hold very strong prejudices that for some reason are not 'quite' native speakers (and I'm quoting a Korean I worked with here). |
All the anecdotal evidence in the world can not hide the facts. Gyopos have many job opportunities, and they are nearly always offered the same terms as white people. The Koreans who told you otherwise are not in possession of the facts, or they are terribly ignorant. Further, there are jobs for which I can't apply because only gyopos are wanted. A couple of days ago, I failed to find a single job which said "white people only can apply" but I found at least 10 which said "gyopos only need apply" or words to that effect. Like these snippets from this very board,
Gyopo TOEFL Writing Teacher Needed: Kangnam, Seoul (or Pundang, Gyunggido) (views: 231)
EG Language School -- Saturday, 19 February 2005, at 7:48 a.m.
Adults, Public High Schools & Elem., International Schools, Preschool to standard academy positions, Gyopos, to Standard positions. 1.9- 10 million won/month 100+ Positions (views: 657)
Park English Recruitment Agency Inc. -- Saturday, 29 January 2005, at 4:15 a.m.
Experienced TOEFL Teachers at KoreaPolyschool (Kyopo/Bilingual w N.A.education only) 2.8 million to 3.7 million
Note the sexy salaries as well. I see nothing here which shows any sort of discrimination other than towards white people.
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| Of course we have not created this abysmal situation for Korean American/Canadians. They can aportion blame onto the atrocious prejudice and discriminatory hiring practices of their fellow countrymen. |
That's right. It's not our problem. If that programme had been shown in the UK they would have had the education secretary receive a grilling from Mr heavyweight Jeremy Paxman. Instead, this Nazi-esque effort chose to ignore these opportunities and opted for some classic der sturmer action. Go go go.
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| I absolutely agree that this scare mongering and scape goating of foreign teachers is, well, disgraceful and they would do better to place the blame for that Kyopo's beef in its rightful place at the door of (too) many Hagwon directors' offices. |
That gyopo didn't have any more reason to complain than me. He doesn't have the monopoly on the being the victim of discriminatory practices. He was an idiot who is probably only in Korea because his lack of team playing skills saw him fail in the US. He reeked of bitterness. What sort of programme would suck up his anecdotal evidence, and fail to detect this man's anti white motives? The programme was put together by a team that would have been an asset to Julius Streicher, except this was nationalism disguised as concern for the discrimination, and the standard of foreign hagwon teachers in Korea. An absolute disgrace. |
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itaewonguy
Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 6:32 am Post subject: |
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hahahaahah WHO REALLY GIVES A RATS ASS!! what koreans think of foreigners! they have always hated us! they are jealous of us! and they no they are nothing against us!!
little man complex at its best...
hahahahahaha. koreans hahahahahaha
come on we all know they are all just 40 year old children!!
IF someone gave me a camera I can report how Koreans are one of the biggest trouble makers in LA. gangs, drugs, prostitution etc..
and thats just in LA..
give me a camera and I too can report how koreans are in there own country! .. I dont think I have ever seen a korean media source show anything good about foreigners in the world..
only negative so its helps them feel better...
I pity these people!!! |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 6:45 am Post subject: |
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hahahaahah WHO REALLY GIVES A RATS ASS!! what koreans think of foreigners! they have always hated us! they are jealous of us! and they no they are nothing against us!!
little man complex at its best...
hahahahahaha. koreans hahahahahaha
come on we all know they are all just 40 year old children!!
IF someone gave me a camera I can report how Koreans are one of the biggest trouble makers in LA. gangs, drugs, prostitution etc..
and thats just in LA..
give me a camera and I too can report how koreans are in there own country! .. I dont think I have ever seen a korean media source show anything good about foreigners in the world..
only negative so its helps them feel better...
I pity these people!!! |
As usual the blunt truth from I'guy. Blunt but true.
Koreans don't have the capacity of other countries to laugh at and accept their shortcomings. That's why they deflect/project their moral shortcomings at other nationalities.
Call an Irishman tempermental and prone to having a drink too many and we will laugh it off, agree to a certain extent, but remind you it's a stereotype.
Stereotype Korea as immoral and they will jump down your throat. This country does not believe itself to be immoral despite overwhelming evidence it is. Count the room salons, love motels and divorce rate. Make up your on mind.
Koreans love to blame others for their problems. That's a rock solid, undeniable fact. |
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Zenpickle
Joined: 06 Jan 2004
Location: Anyang -- Bisan
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| Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 6:50 am Post subject: Re: SBS |
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[color=red]Gyopo TOEFL Writing Teacher Needed: Kangnam, Seoul (or Pundang, Gyunggido) (views: 231)
EG Language School -- Saturday, 19 February 2005, at 7:48 a.m.
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Odd. I was interviewed for and was offered that job a few weeks ago. Turned it down, which was a tough decision.
My first impression was that a lot of Gyopo worked at EG, but it seemed to me it wasn't a requirement. I'm not Gyopo, and they offered me that exact same job. |
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VC
Joined: 10 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 7:16 am Post subject: |
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| I just talked to a Korean friend about the SBS program. She said that she would be very willing to translate a letter for me and help me send it to some major Korean newspapers with wide circulation. Hopefully, it would get published and help to expose the lies that SBS has spread about foreign teachers. It seems like a good idea. |
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Derrek
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 7:28 am Post subject: Re: SBS |
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[color=red]Gyopo TOEFL Writing Teacher Needed: Kangnam, Seoul (or Pundang, Gyunggido) (views: 231)
EG Language School -- Saturday, 19 February 2005, at 7:48 a.m.
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Odd. I was interviewed for and was offered that job a few weeks ago. Turned it down, which was a tough decision.
My first impression was that a lot of Gyopo worked at EG, but it seemed to me it wasn't a requirement. I'm not Gyopo, and they offered me that exact same job. |
When I first came to Korea, I interviewed at 3 schools. The owner of school #1 was Mr. Jung from EG in Kangnam. He cut the interview off half-way through and the recruiter lady asked that I return in 30 minutes. But when I did, the secretary said the interview was over. I asked why, and she told me that the owner thought I was a spy from another hagwon!! What a paranoid little man! Haahaha!
I continued to talk to the secretary for about 5 minutes, and the whole time, the owner was peeking around the corner with a VERY nervous and disgusted look.
I must have freaked him out when I asked for a tour of the school and to meet the other teachers. I had never seen a hagwon before, so I was curious what it was all about!
The teachers there all seemed half-scared and far too nervous anyway. I'm glad I didn't end up there!
When I think of my three years of experience here in Korea, and I remember that situation, my impression of such owners are that they are overbearing, controlling Korean men who EXACTLY fit the description of a hagwon owner I'd hate to work for. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 7:41 am Post subject: Re: SBS |
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[color=red]Gyopo TOEFL Writing Teacher Needed: Kangnam, Seoul (or Pundang, Gyunggido) (views: 231)
EG Language School -- Saturday, 19 February 2005, at 7:48 a.m.
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Odd. I was interviewed for and was offered that job a few weeks ago. Turned it down, which was a tough decision.
My first impression was that a lot of Gyopo worked at EG, but it seemed to me it wasn't a requirement. I'm not Gyopo, and they offered me that exact same job. |
Just what the advert stated. Maybe they suddenly had a change of policy as a result of the English spectrum issue. I spoke with a recruiter who said that schools are now less willing to hire white guys. They prefer women, or gyopos. A wild stab in the dark but maybe something to do with this?? |
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Derrek
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 7:52 am Post subject: Re: SBS |
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| Gwangjuboy wrote: |
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[color=red]Gyopo TOEFL Writing Teacher Needed: Kangnam, Seoul (or Pundang, Gyunggido) (views: 231)
EG Language School -- Saturday, 19 February 2005, at 7:48 a.m.
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Odd. I was interviewed for and was offered that job a few weeks ago. Turned it down, which was a tough decision.
My first impression was that a lot of Gyopo worked at EG, but it seemed to me it wasn't a requirement. I'm not Gyopo, and they offered me that exact same job. |
Just what the advert stated. Maybe they suddenly had a change of policy as a result of the English spectrum issue. I spoke with a recruiter who said that schools are now less willing to hire white guys. They prefer women, or gyopos. A wild stab in the dark but maybe something to do with this?? |
I highly doubt this. The job was for teaching TOEFL-related stuff. Koreans prefer a gyopo who speaks Korean for this, and can explain in detail. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 8:04 am Post subject: Re: SBS |
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I highly doubt this. The job was for teaching TOEFL-related stuff. Koreans prefer a gyopo who speaks Korean for this, and can explain in detail. |
But zenpickle said he went for an interview there a few weeks back. Someone isn't been accurate here.
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jajdude
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 10:13 am Post subject: |
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I agree with itaewonguy and eamo.
The inability to laugh at oneself makes for a sad existence. (quote-- me) |
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