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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| dogbert wrote: |
Another serious report stated that scientists had definitely shown there is no correlation between head size and intelligence (important because this is a common belief among most Koreans, for whom phrenology is yet a living science).
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The first time, and last, that I went to the Independance Hall in Chonan, you could still see a sign that tried to define the "Korean race" in the first exhibition. It was using that kind of eugenic logic to come to the conclusion that Koreans were the most intelligent people on earth (something about the body to brain size ratio). My friend and I looked at each other, rolled our eyes and proceded onward while having fun playing 'Let's Spot the Fascist Propaganda'. Fun times.
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Zenpickle
Joined: 06 Jan 2004
Location: Anyang -- Bisan
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| Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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Derrek, your letter sucks. It starts of well but the in the body of the letter you basically affirm that the teachers in Korea suck (but its Koreans fault because they dont check enough) and you back this up by giving your own tale about how you were breaking the law. Finally you follow up with a strident attack against Korean racism that isnt supported by the body of the text.
I hope you havent sent it yet. |
Hardly.
He points out that the news is portraying teachers as "evil" without making any blanket statements about the teachers in general. He's talking about cleaning up the whole ESL industry, which includes the government, schools, and to a certain point, teachers (even though he doesn't lay any fault on the teachers in that letter).
Derrek--
I think it's a pretty good letter. You start out with good ethos (being a former TV producer), laying out the problems, the sources of problems, and the sources of problems -- along with a personal anecdote of how a school forcefully coerced you to break the law. I wish you would make one more statement regarding the immigration officials demanding bribes. Bring THAT point home too. |
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hellofaniceguy
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: On your computer screen!
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| Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 12:00 am Post subject: |
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| shakuhachi wrote: |
Derrek, your letter sucks. It starts of well but the in the body of the letter you basically affirm that the teachers in Korea suck (but its Koreans fault because they dont check enough) and you back this up by giving your own tale about how you were breaking the law. Finally you follow up with a strident attack against Korean racism that isnt supported by the body of the text.
I hope you havent sent it yet. |
Hardly.
He points out that the news is portraying teachers as "evil" without making any blanket statements about the teachers in general. He's talking about cleaning up the whole ESL industry, which includes the government, schools, and to a certain point, teachers (even though he doesn't lay any fault on the teachers in that letter).
Derrek--
I think it's a pretty good letter. You start out with good ethos (being a former TV producer), laying out the problems, the sources of problems, and the sources of problems -- along with a personal anecdote of how a school forcefully coerced you to break the law. I wish you would make one more statement regarding the immigration officials demanding bribes. Bring THAT point home too. |
Actually..what is even better... is to write about how 90% of the hakwon owners are assh*%@s. Korea has teachers from all over the world teaching in korea...and the majority have been screwed over at one time or another...so...IT IS NOT the teachers that are bad when teachers from all over the world are getting screwed over...it is the korean hakwon owners. Period. Hakwon owners DO NOT care about anything except MONEY and getting parents to pay. If hakwon owners really cared about QUALITY education...they would provide more vacation, better pay, better hours and housing. But...it is the fault of teachers for signing bad contracts also. Wake up korea...hakwons owners are the scum of korea, They are the child molesters. |
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cellphone
Joined: 18 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 12:47 am Post subject: |
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| hellofaniceguy wrote: |
| Actually..what is even better... is to write about how 90% of the hakwon owners are assh*%@s. Korea has teachers from all over the world teaching in korea...and the majority have been screwed over at one time or another...so...IT IS NOT the teachers that are bad when teachers from all over the world are getting screwed over...it is the korean hakwon owners. Period. |
Right on with that one. Speaking exactly what's been in my mind. However I would edit, Hagwon owners generally are really nice alot of the time and then, BAMM! Over night it's all over.
For me, my last hagwon operator was generally a pretty nice guy, but things still went south, much to my own inconvenience and a bit for him too. My situation is still in progress. As a person he's nice, but the waygook is still not out of the water by any means. Anyways, good points. |
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cellphone
Joined: 18 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 12:57 am Post subject: |
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| Hollywoodaction wrote: |
| social identity theory. |
Hollywood good writing on the SIT stuff, I'll read more when I have time. |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 3:14 am Post subject: |
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| If you are interested on the topic of ethnic nationalism in Korea, I recommend the following article, "The politics of ethnic nationalism in devided Korea" by G-W Shin, et al. (1999). I took some of my information on SIT in that article. |
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chotaerang
Joined: 23 Mar 2004
Location: In the gym
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| Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 5:06 am Post subject: |
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[quote="Grim Ja"] Even if Koreans only hired PHD's in linguisitics from MIT it still wouldn't be good enough. Koreans think that only losers come teach in Korea regardless of qualifications. Koreans hate other races unless they can get something out from them.
Mmm ... It's a fortunate thing that 'we' never fall prey to making the same unthinking generalizaions about Koreans that 'they' make about us. |
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casey's moon
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: Daejeon
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| Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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| I haven't felt any effects personally from this whole issue, and wonder if I will at all as a female English teacher. That isn't to say that I'm not offended by the racism, or that I don't feel sorry for the majority of male English teachers who are great people... Anyway, I wonder how/if this is affecting other female English teachers. |
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JongnoGuru
Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep
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| Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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| I haven't felt any effects personally from this whole issue, and wonder if I will at all as a female English teacher. That isn't to say that I'm not offended by the racism, or that I don't feel sorry for the majority of male English teachers who are great people... Anyway, I wonder how/if this is affecting other female English teachers. |
I wonder how/if, too. I notice that Jaderedux weighed in (here) with some home truths on matters of public decorum that the male foreign teacher population may wish to consult. Canuckistan chimed in as well on another thread, I think. Peppermint gave contact numbers for SBS. But other than that, I haven't seen much on the main three, four threads dealing with this issue from the more active women posters so far. (Unless The Cube is a woman. I don't know.)
I asked half-jokingly elsewhere whether the enraged K-netizens calling for mass deportation of ESL teachers are including females in their 'exit order', just for good measure as it were. But the idle threats of a few extremists aside, what are the women here on Dave's thinking about this topic? They share the same profession, same foreigner status, same concerns about public image, etc. Gender is the only difference.
Possible reasons I've considered:
"It's a tempest in a teapot. Why waste my time on it when, in all likelihood, it will blow over before I finish typing a post?"
"It isn't just a tempest in a teapot. Things have been worsening for English teachers in Korea over the past few months (years?), and this is just the latest example. But I'm too smart to discuss it now with all the testosterone flying around here, because I know I'll just start a useless flamewar if I say anything neutral or even-handed."
"It seems serious alright to me, but I didn't watch the programme, don't know enough about it, don't really care, and anyway I'm really busy these days."
"Hey, this was bound to happen with the way too many guys behave. Let them deal with their own mess. I'm pissed at SBS and I'm pissed at these stupid male teachers. But leave me out of it. Ain't my problem to fix. Or discuss." |
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Pyongshin Sangja
Joined: 20 Apr 2003
Location: I love baby!
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| Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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Wow, who to respond to first. Lots of juicy stuff coming out today.
Derrek
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| I've been assaulted in Korea for absolutely no reason other than that I'm a foreigner (while standing and watching a DVD playing at a "dvd for sale" table near Konkuk). |
I work and party near Konkuk all the time, never had any issues. Too bad for you. I've met you. The dudes that attacked you must have been huge guys. Or drunk. Of which there are many at Konkuk.
Grim ja
Glad that someone is giving those of us without Korean juminbono the skinny on the Daum.net boards. What a bunch of troglodytes. Surprised? A little. Well, not really.
Dogbert
Good point about that news show. I recall a post on here about Korean belief in supernatural, paranormal, bunkum. It has coloured a lot of my perceptions about them. The scientific method of assessment has yet to completely take hold here. This is why I don't have a TV. And spend my time here. Maybe I should get out more, but it's freezing farking cold these days.
Guru
Your point about the Western women's perspective got me to thinking. Why don't we just molest each other? I know the guys like the little Korean waifs and the girls like the vacuous pumped-up GI's, but why can't we all just get it on? No strings, I'm talking about wife-swapping, boy! For the next Dave's get-together, I want to see nitrous oxide, bubble machines and dozens of naked ESL teachers in latex masks. The ten to one male-female ratio might get things a bit, um, in your face. Hell, let's do it in the front window of the Lotte Dept. store at Myung-dong. See what the Koreans make of that on their news shows. |
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JongnoGuru
Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep
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| Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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Guru
Your point about the Western women's perspective got me to thinking. Why don't we just molest each other? I know the guys like the little Korean waifs and the girls like the vacuous pumped-up GI's, but why can't we all just get it on? No strings, I'm talking about wife-swapping, boy! For the next Dave's get-together, I want to see nitrous oxide, bubble machines and dozens of naked ESL teachers in latex masks. The ten to one male-female ratio might get things a bit, um, in your face. Hell, let's do it in the front window of the Lotte Dept. store at Myung-dong. See what the Koreans make of that on their news shows. |
Okay, Sangja, you bring the bubbles, the masks and the NO2. (not sure why all those items are necessary) I'll queue up some Marvin, dim the overheads, and fire up the camcorder. That way when the paddy-wagon comes for you, I'm just the innocent bystander with the camera.
So, according to your arrangements, the little Korean waifs and the vacuous pumped-up GIs will have no-one but each other. A bit of history repeating, there. But oh well... I suppose the Korean public may be more comfortable with the familiar. |
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Pyongshin Sangja
Joined: 20 Apr 2003
Location: I love baby!
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| Yeah, we really are the post-Cold War fly in the ointment, aren't we? When I was finishing high school, I always thought that I would end up in Germany or Eastern Europe. I guess it's kind of ironic that I ended up on the other end of the Eurasian conflict. Makes me think of Marshal Zhukov defeating the Japanese in 1938 and the Germans in 1942. Except completely different. Anyway, back to the swinging, party people! |
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nateyb
Joined: 28 Dec 2003
Location: witness protection program (or Bundang)
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| Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 7:06 am Post subject: |
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casey's moon
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: Daejeon
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| Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 2:32 pm Post subject: |
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| "It isn't just a tempest in a teapot. Things have been worsening for English teachers in Korea over the past few months (years?), and this is just the latest example. But I'm too smart to discuss it now with all the testosterone flying around here, because I know I'll just start a useless flamewar if I say anything neutral or even-handed." |
Jongnoguru -- I guess this one is the closest for me. I keep trying to say more about this, but nothing I say makes sense because it is littered with disclaimers -- and then deleting it. |
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Zenpickle
Joined: 06 Jan 2004
Location: Anyang -- Bisan
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| Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2005 3:58 am Post subject: |
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I was having dinner in a restaurant with my girlfriend (Korean), and the SBS show was on where they run reenactments, and a panel decides which one is the true story.
One of them tonight dealt with a foreigner who had a fake degree (with Mickey Mouse on it). It was really bad, and the foreigner was portrayed so cartoon like, he was a white Uncle Tom (or rather, Tom Ajossi). My girlfriend was laughing at first, but she then got angry and started calling the show "stupid."
It made me feel self-conscious and ruined my meal. |
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