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Toby

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Location: Wedded Bliss
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Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 6:28 pm Post subject: Immigration Again |
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Went yesterday to renew my E2 until december this year. They did it on the spot and gave it back to me, but only dated until july.
Upon questioning them, they said it is because my F2 expires in July so I need to renew my F2 then and also my E2, only it will be for 5 months by that time. So. 2 processing costs. Wonderful. And he said it is now too early to renew my F2.
Pain in the ass. |
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Sage Monkey

Joined: 01 Nov 2004
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Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 12:04 am Post subject: |
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sid

Joined: 02 Feb 2003 Location: Berkshire, England
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Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 2:05 am Post subject: Re: Immigration Again |
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Toby wrote: |
. So. 2 processing costs. Wonderful. |
You're from the UK aren't you Toby, I thought all our visa affairs were 'gratis'?
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Holyjoe

Joined: 03 Mar 2003 Location: Away for a cuppa
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Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 2:10 am Post subject: Re: Immigration Again |
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sid wrote: |
You're from the UK aren't you Toby, I thought all our visa affairs were 'gratis'? |
Working permission on the F-2 costs 30k for us Brits... |
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Toby

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Location: Wedded Bliss
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Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 4:30 pm Post subject: Re: Immigration Again |
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sid wrote: |
Toby wrote: |
. So. 2 processing costs. Wonderful. |
You're from the UK aren't you Toby, I thought all our visa affairs were 'gratis'? |
No. Just the multi entry provided you are on an existing E2. Or that's what they tell me. Got to pay for the rest as far as I know. |
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casey's moon
Joined: 14 Sep 2004 Location: Daejeon
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Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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same deal for me, and it is sooooo annoying. There has to be a better way!!!! |
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Squid

Joined: 25 Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Anyang
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Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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Me too...or three, or whatever. You'd think they'd synchronise the two the first time there's an overlap, but no, they're stupid and inefficient. I'm pretty sure it's global though. .
Oh, and W30,000 a pop keeps them in coffee I guess.
Also, what's the deal with the 2year F2?... I tried last time (2nd time) and they said a flat no. On another thread it seemed it was arbitrary... any enlightenment? |
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JongnoGuru

Joined: 25 May 2004 Location: peeing on your doorstep
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Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 12:20 am Post subject: |
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Squid wrote: |
Me too...or three, or whatever. You'd think they'd synchronise the two the first time there's an overlap, but no, they're stupid and inefficient. I'm pretty sure it's global though. . |
Call me stupid and inefficient, but how/why is it so many of you are running around with more than one visa? I'm guessing the answer is, one is a spouse visa (which I thought lets you work just about anywhere in Korea you want), and the other is an English teacher visa. If so, let me ask another stupid question: wouldn't life be easier with just one visa?
BTW, I'd fail a visa quiz any day of the week. I'm not proud of that fact, but it's just a subject that doesn't come up. For instance, I think an F-something visa is for foreign spouses, and I think E-something is for... no... was going to say English teacher, but I know that's not right, because even I had an E-something once.
Changing my sig line to read "don't know much about NOTHING" |
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Holyjoe

Joined: 03 Mar 2003 Location: Away for a cuppa
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Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 1:13 am Post subject: |
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Squid wrote: |
Also, what's the deal with the 2year F2?... I tried last time (2nd time) and they said a flat no. On another thread it seemed it was arbitrary... any enlightenment? |
I was under the impression that the second time would be for two years, but when I went to renew the immigration official informed us that the first application and the first renewal are good for one year, and the second renewal is good for two years, with the third being for five and then indefinitely (ie one year, one year, two years, five years, forever). |
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jaykimf
Joined: 24 Apr 2004
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Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 1:23 am Post subject: |
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JongnoGuru wrote: |
Squid wrote: |
Me too...or three, or whatever. You'd think they'd synchronise the two the first time there's an overlap, but no, they're stupid and inefficient. I'm pretty sure it's global though. . |
Call me stupid and inefficient, but how/why is it so many of you are running around with more than one visa? I'm guessing the answer is, one is a spouse visa (which I thought lets you work just about anywhere in Korea you want), and the other is an English teacher visa. If so, let me ask another stupid question: wouldn't life be easier with just one visa?
BTW, I'd fail a visa quiz any day of the week. I'm not proud of that fact, but it's just a subject that doesn't come up. For instance, I think an F-something visa is for foreign spouses, and I think E-something is for... no... was going to say English teacher, but I know that's not right, because even I had an E-something once.
Changing my sig line to read "don't know much about NOTHING" |
In my case, I only have one visa, the F-2. Supposedly you can work just about anywhere, if you have the qualifications. (To teach English you still need the college degree). BUT, you still need to get permission from Immigration. Instead of a second visa, I have "permission to engage in activities not covered by the status of sojourn". I also have a hard time understanding why you would need 2 seperate visas. My visa and permission to work WERE synchronized because I applied for them at the same time. However I was between jobs for a couple of months, so now they are out of sync. Also I now have a 3 year F-2 and a one year permission to work (based on my one year contract) Anyway, they way they have handled my case makes sense to me. The E-something is for Employment and the F- is for Family I think. |
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Holyjoe

Joined: 03 Mar 2003 Location: Away for a cuppa
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Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 1:23 am Post subject: |
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JongnoGuru wrote: |
Call me stupid and inefficient, but how/why is it so many of you are running around with more than one visa? I'm guessing the answer is, one is a spouse visa (which I thought lets you work just about anywhere in Korea you want), and the other is an English teacher visa. If so, let me ask another stupid question: wouldn't life be easier with just one visa? |
The F-2 is the primary visa but it doesn't let you do anything other than reside in the country regardless of employment status. Anything added on top of that isn't a visa, but rather "permission to engage in activities not covered by the status of sojourn" - it's the equivalent of an E2 but it's not sponsored by your boss and is only valid for the duration of the primary visa (F-2).
Before your F-2 duration is up you can renew it, but you need to get the E2 permission to cover the rest of your contract, hence the need for the extra 30k if the dates aren't synchronised. Essentially you're applying for the same permission twice, which is annoying but can't be helped on the F-2 until you get a few more years' residence on it under your belt. |
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Squid

Joined: 25 Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Anyang
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Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 1:55 am Post subject: |
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Thanks Holyjoe, it'll take me a week to get my pea-brain around that lot
"activities not covered blah blah status of sojourn" is a form of E2 then?
If the E2 simply covers the duration of your contract, upon what status do we reside until the next contract... F2, no work allowed?
I ask because I quit last month and my E2 is still good until 1 May. Until then I'll do a bit of P/T work.
My F2 however isn't up until July...
my question:
can I legally still work after May1, until my F2 needs renewal, or is it Immigration office time again for another E2? |
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JongnoGuru

Joined: 25 May 2004 Location: peeing on your doorstep
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Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 2:53 am Post subject: |
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Okay, okay... I'm starting to get a grasp of this now. I actually have a few ex-pat acquaintances with Korean spouses, and Korean friends with ex-pat spouse. But whenever the conversation drifts into E-dash-? / F-dash-? territory, my mind automatically wanders and I daydream or run through my mental To-do lists.
So, it seems there's a "primary visa" with its own requirements, duration, renewal deadline, procedures and fees....and then there's ANOTHER thing -- a "permission" thingy with its own requirements, duration, renewal deadline, procedures and fees.
To me, it should be an 'either/or' choice, but evidently people want both. That means it's "Stupid Question Time" again!
A foreigner can marry a Korean without first (or ever) having to obtain any particular visa for it, right? (I know, just being married to a Korean does not give someone the right to live here indefinitely -- that's not what I'm saying.)
Putting this in the context of the real world, let's say you're a foreign male teaching here, your university (employer) sponsors your visa, and you meet and marry a Korean woman. Why not just continue with the visa from your employer? Where's the "fun" of complicating your status here with an F-2? If switching to a Spouse/Family (F-?) visa meant that you didn't need additional permission to work for the university, then I could understand it, but that's not the case. Seems like a choice of 1 visa headache or 2.
Another real-world scenario: You're a foreign lady and you've married a Korean man. You want to have & raise some children, start managing a household, begin playing a full-time role in the family life of your husband. You no longer have time for a job, nor need for the Work Visa that you had when you first came here. So, isn't it automatic that you'd drop the Work Visa and switch to an F-2? But no... apparently, people want them both at the same time... |
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marlow
Joined: 06 Feb 2005
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Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 3:09 am Post subject: |
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JongnoGuru wrote: |
Putting this in the context of the real world, let's say you're a foreign male teaching here, your university (employer) sponsors your visa, and you meet and marry a Korean woman. Why not just continue with the visa from your employer? Where's the "fun" of complicating your status here with an F-2? If switching to a Spouse/Family (F-?) visa meant that you didn't need additional permission to work for the university, then I could understand it, but that's not the case. Seems like a choice of 1 visa headache or 2.
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With the F2 visa you never have to do a visa run even if you change employers.
The F2 visa makes leaving a bad job a lot easier as well. You don't really need to get the release letter. |
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Toby

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Location: Wedded Bliss
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Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 4:04 am Post subject: |
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JongnoGuru wrote: |
Putting this in the context of the real world, let's say you're a foreign male teaching here, your university (employer) sponsors your visa, and you meet and marry a Korean woman. Why not just continue with the visa from your employer? Where's the "fun" of complicating your status here with an F-2? If switching to a Spouse/Family (F-?) visa meant that you didn't need additional permission to work for the university, then I could understand it, but that's not the case. Seems like a choice of 1 visa headache or 2.
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A slightly narrow minded approach me thinks. An F2 gives you more security about living here.
As said, you don't need to leave the country and suffer the headache.
They can and will process an extension on an E2 while you wait, so you don't need to go back or get anything delivered.
You won't get deported for doing privates. Only fined.
You don't need to leave the country if you are not working every 3 or 6 months. Your F2 lets you stay.
You can work in numerous places, legally. I could, if I so wished, work in 10 different hogwans, provided I told immigration and had it stamped on my card.
I can leave any job I want, when I want.
But, most importantly, it means I am recognised as being married to a beautiful Korean woman by anyone pompous fool that asks to see my card. |
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