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JongnoGuru

Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep

Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 4:04 am Post subject:

marlow wrote:

With the F2 visa you never have to do a visa run even if you change employers.

The F2 visa makes leaving a bad job a lot easier as well. You don't really need to get the release letter.

Thanks. See, that's why it's called "Stupid Question Time"! Embarassed

ELIMINATING VISA RUNS
How often do you make a "visa run"? Once a year? Once every two years? Surely most people get off the ROK and "come up for air" at least that regularly anyway, don't they? I mean, even Koreans do, and they don't need a visa-run excuse! Wink

And really, how dreadful can a quick trip to Japan or somewhere else nearby be? Why not coordinate these "visa runs" with a trip home to see the family, or to a country that you want to visit on holiday?

I'm sure these are just more Stupid Questions.

ESCAPING BAD JOBS, OBVIATING LETTERS OF RELEASE
I can readily appreciate this benefit. But wouldn't Korean employers be less eager to hire someone on such a visa, fearing they'd be less dependable, more demanding, more likely to leave them in the lurch? Or would most Korean employers see the attraction of not having to sponsor another foreign teacher's visa, thereby giving F-2 Visa-holding job applicants an edge over others?

Toby

Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Wedded Bliss

Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 4:08 am Post subject:

JongnoGuru wrote:

marlow wrote:

With the F2 visa you never have to do a visa run even if you change employers.

The F2 visa makes leaving a bad job a lot easier as well. You don't really need to get the release letter.

Thanks. See, that's why it's called "Stupid Question Time"! Embarassed

Are you for real or are you really that dumb? What world are you living in?

Sorry. You are asking some of the most ignorant and inane questions I have ever heard on this board.

JongnoGuru

Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep

Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 4:16 am Post subject:

Toby wrote:

A slightly narrow minded approach me thinks. An F2 gives you more security about living here.

As said, you don't need to leave the country and suffer the headache.

They can and will process an extension on an E2 while you wait, so you don't need to go back or get anything delivered.

You won't get deported for doing privates. Only fined.

You don't need to leave the country if you are not working every 3 or 6 months. Your F2 lets you stay.

You can work in numerous places, legally. I could, if I so wished, work in 10 different hogwans, provided I told immigration and had it stamped on my card.

I can leave any job I want, when I want.

But, most importantly, it means I am recognised as being married to a beautiful Korean woman by anyone pompous fool that asks to see my card.

Very good, very elucidating, Toby. I'm at the bottom of the E-2/F-2 learning curve, you'll appreciate, and I scarcely remember even hearing of some of these visa categories until years after I'd arrived. Korean colleagues, as you can understand, don't talk too much about this stuff either.

So, in view of all these real benefits you've listed, what are the OP and other posters carping about? Just having to make extra trips to the IO that they could do without? Seems rather small potatoes compared to having to fly overseas if you'd rather not.

My question in the previous post, though, is ... what's so onerous about leaving Korea once a year, if you can combine a holiday that you'd've taken anyway along with a visit to the Korean embassy/consulate in country X, Y or Z?

Holyjoe

Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: Away for a cuppa

Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 5:03 am Post subject:

JongnoGuru wrote:

ESCAPING BAD JOBS, OBVIATING LETTERS OF RELEASE
I can readily appreciate this benefit. But wouldn't Korean employers be less eager to hire someone on such a visa, fearing they'd be less dependable, more demanding, more likely to leave them in the lurch? Or would most Korean employers see the attraction of not having to sponsor another foreign teacher's visa, thereby giving F-2 Visa-holding job applicants an edge over others?

I'm not an employer so I can't really give a definite answer here, but the fact that someone has an F-2 and therefore has vested interests in the country would at least suggest they're less likely to leave them in the lurch (eg; midnight run) and more open to resolving potential problems in the workplace.

Holyjoe

Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: Away for a cuppa

Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 5:08 am Post subject:

Squid wrote:

Thanks Holyjoe, it'll take me a week to get my pea-brain around that lot Laughing

"activities not covered blah blah status of sojourn" is a form of E2 then?

If the E2 simply covers the duration of your contract, upon what status do we reside until the next contract... F2, no work allowed?

I ask because I quit last month and my E2 is still good until 1 May. Until then I'll do a bit of P/T work.

My F2 however isn't up until July...

my question:
can I legally still work after May1, until my F2 needs renewal, or is it Immigration office time again for another E2?

You know, you could get a new E2 permission for a full-time job tomorrow and there wouldn't be any problems. You don't have to wait for the E2 you currently have to expire - if it's not needed then just tell them to cancel it when you're applying for the new one and you're fine.
You can work part-time if you want (you'll still need to get permission at immigration for that to keep it legal) but there's nothing stopping you from getting a full-time job right now, just get the necessary documents & the 30k and head off to immigration.

casey's moon

Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: Daejeon

Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 5:18 am Post subject:

Toby wrote:

JongnoGuru wrote:

marlow wrote:

With the F2 visa you never have to do a visa run even if you change employers.

The F2 visa makes leaving a bad job a lot easier as well. You don't really need to get the release letter.

Thanks. See, that's why it's called "Stupid Question Time"! Embarassed

Are you for real or are you really that dumb? What world are you living in?

Sorry. You are asking some of the most ignorant and inane questions I have ever heard on this board.

Whoa!!! Those are the most ignorant and inane questions you have EVER heard on this board????? That's really hard to believe.

Anyway, Jongno, I was a housewife for a few months (we were waiting for my husband's transfer) so I needed my F-2 status to stay in the country. Now I'm teaching, and I had to get permission to teach from immigration. Going back to immigration twice a year is a pain in the arse, honestly. It is never a good time, and now that I've been to immigration around 10 times in 4 and a half years, it is that much more annoying and something I don't want to have to do that often for the rest of my life!!!

As for why would employer's prefer us F-2ers, well, I think they mostly see the positive side to us. We're stable and we won't be doing a midnight run. We may change jobs mid-contract, but not without giving proper notice. Also, we're less likely to be total screwups (in theory) since we have family in the country -- proves that someone in the world thinks we're okay.

I belong to the "there is no such thing as stupid questions," club (unless they are intentionally so).

Toby

Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Wedded Bliss

Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 5:18 am Post subject:

JongnoGuru wrote:

So, in view of all these real benefits you've listed, what are the OP and other posters carping about? Just having to make extra trips to the IO that they could do without? Seems rather small potatoes compared to having to fly overseas if you'd rather not.

Because it is a pain in the ass when immigration can clearly see you are not leaving and you have to go and drag yourself over to Omokyo half way through through a visa and do the whole process all over again....

That's what my initial post was about.

I don't have the time to go overseas and incorporate a trip to the embassy. I live nowhere near the embassy and it would take away valuable time from the things I should be doing....

Holyjoe

Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: Away for a cuppa

Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 5:30 am Post subject:

JongnoGuru wrote:

My question in the previous post, though, is ... what's so onerous about leaving Korea once a year, if you can combine a holiday that you'd've taken anyway along with a visit to the Korean embassy/consulate in country X, Y or Z?

That's the thing... in Korea it doesn't always work as smoothly as that Wink

Once you're married though you shouldn't have to put your status as a resident in the country in the hands of your employer - if things go wrong at your place of employment then you could suddenly find yourself with fourteen days to get out the country. Ditto if you should fall foul of the law for any reason (working illegally, on the wrong end of an angry Korean's fist or whatever) then you're dumped out the country with a five year ban on returning.

JongnoGuru wrote:

o, in view of all these real benefits you've listed, what are the OP and other posters carping about? Just having to make extra trips to the IO that they could do without? Seems rather small potatoes compared to having to fly overseas if you'd rather not.

I think having to apply twice and fork out twice for working permission when it gets cut off by the F2 visa's validity.

Example (though I'm sure you're aware of what I'm on about):

Suppose Mr. Smith signs a one year contract in May 2005 with an English school. Also suppose Mr. Smith's F2 visa is valid from Feb 2005-Feb 2006. Mr. Smith goes to immigration and pays his 30k to get the working permission before starting work. The working permission will only extend to Feb 06 even though the contract extends to May 06, so when Mr. Smith goes to extend his F2 (can't remember the cost) he has to also reapply for the same working permission (30k) for the final three months of his contract.

In a perfect world immigration would enter the one year contract details in their computer and put the permission for those final three months onto the F2 when Mr. Smith extends his spouse visa.
As someone else said above, it looks like a way to make extra money for coffee Wink

(I don't know how much sense I made above there actually... but I reckon you can get my drift)

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