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kcat



Joined: 23 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul, Korea

PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 7:20 pm    Post subject: Is this usual upon contract completion? Reply with quote

Hi, Im about to complete my contract at a school that treated me well, no complaints, BUT my boss made a request that seems odd to me. He gave me my completion date but requested me to find a replacement FOR MYSELF. I have very little time and I don't know that I can-not that my school isn't a decent place to work, I just don't have a clue how to do this and I have never heard of anyone being asked to, I wasnt under the impression that this was my responsibility but my boss seems to feel it is. I'm the only foreigner at the school and I dont know people here to ask (save Koreans that tell me to do whatever I'm told). Is this usual? He hinted that he'd expect me to stay until one was found (I'm being allowed to leave a little earlier than scheduled as a favor) but he handed me a list of qualities in a teacher (his last teacher recruited ME and he seems to expect this). IS this usual protocol (to be asked to do this) or inappropriate? I feel unsure of how to treat it and I'm on good terms at don't wish that to change.
Thank you.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, it is not your responsibility or obligation to find a replacement once you've finished your contract. You aren't required to stay past the end date of your contract until a replacement teacher is found either. He knows your contact is ending and maybe he's looking to save a recruiter's fee for a new teacher by putting the job on you.

You could do it just to help the guy out, but you're not obligated to.
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kcat



Joined: 23 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul, Korea

PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

canuckistan wrote:
No, it is not your responsibility or obligation to find a replacement once you've finished your contract. You aren't required to stay past the end date of your contract until a replacement teacher is found either. He knows your contact is ending and maybe he's looking to save a recruiter's fee for a new teacher by putting the job on you.

You could do it just to help the guy out, but you're not obligated to.

Ok, so I'm assuming that being asked is usual (but it's not an obligation)...how do teachers with no contacts even go about trying? How would you handle it? This is new to me...I would like to help him as he's been great to me but I feel at a loss as I know no one here as far as foreigners go. Thank you BTW:)
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teachingld2004



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 8:03 pm    Post subject: leaving Reply with quote

You said you are being allowed to leave a little earlier then your contract states. If this is the case, then yes, you can be asked to help find a teacher.

If you stay till the end of your contract you certainly are under no obligation to help him do that.

Just remember, if u leave early you may not get your "bonus.
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chronicpride



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He wants to save on paying out a recruitment fee. If he has a lot of stringent requirements, such as age, nationality, gender, educational background, experience, blah-blah, you're going to need all the help that you can get, and will be best suited to enlist the help of a lot of recruiters. If his list is short and flexible, then I would persuade him to fork over some $$ and run ads on Daves job board and Koreajoblink, plus the free listings at WorknPlay, Eslteachersboard, and Koreabridge classifieds.

You'll need to open up an email account that has a healthy amount of space, like gmail or one of Yahoo's, because you will be hit with emails with large attachments of photos, resumes, coverletters, scanned copies of passports, degrees, transcripts, letters of reference, and anything else that new teachers might think is useful(regardless of how much you may emphasize in your ad, that they only need to email resume/photo, at this time.). Then, you will have to play the filter game from your responses, to isolate candidates. Then, you will have to quickly engage in the email and phone tag game with those candidates, before they are swooped in on by any one of the 50+ recruiters that may be pitching them at the same time. The market moves quick for certain kinds of teachers, and if your director is very selective, you'll have to be Johnny-on-the-Spot with the phone and emailing.

Good luck.
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Grotto



Joined: 21 Mar 2004

PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ahhh

No it is not your job and no it is not usual at all.

How to deal with this situation.

Well you have 4 options IMO

1. Look for a replacement out of the goodness of your own heart
2. Tell them you are looking for a replacement and dont
3. Tell them its not you job and you wont
4. Tell them you are looking for a replacement and expect 1,000,000 won recruiters fee when you find one.

It never ceases to amaze me Shocked the stuff Koreans try to push off on foreigners as their 'duty'
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Squid



Joined: 25 Jul 2003
Location: Sunny Anyang

PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a clause in a contract that put the onus on me to stay until a replacement was found if I quit early. OP might find one.
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teachingld2004



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 8:35 pm    Post subject: leaving Reply with quote

Guys, if you read the origional posters posting, he (or she) is allowed to leave a bit early. If that is the case then I dont see what is wrong in finding a replacement.

BUT, if the poster says till the end of the contract, then no help is required.
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kcat



Joined: 23 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul, Korea

PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 8:43 pm    Post subject: Re: leaving Reply with quote

teachingld2004 wrote:
You said you are being allowed to leave a little earlier then your contract states. If this is the case, then yes, you can be asked to help find a teacher.

If you stay till the end of your contract you certainly are under no obligation to help him do that.

Just remember, if u leave early you may not get your "bonus.

YES. Im afraid that he wont pay me or let me leave early IF I dont find him a replacement...I dont know if that is the case but that is my concern right now
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Grotto



Joined: 21 Mar 2004

PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well if we knew what 'a bit early' meant. A week? A month? A couple of days" we could make a more informed opinion.

Being told to find your replacement is not usual. It is a nice thing to do though.
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kcat



Joined: 23 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul, Korea

PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

chronicpride wrote:
He wants to save on paying out a recruitment fee. If he has a lot of stringent requirements, such as age, nationality, gender, educational background, experience, blah-blah, you're going to need all the help that you can get, and will be best suited to enlist the help of a lot of recruiters. If his list is short and flexible, then I would persuade him to fork over some $$ and run ads on Daves job board and Koreajoblink, plus the free listings at WorknPlay, Eslteachersboard, and Koreabridge classifieds.

You'll need to open up an email account that has a healthy amount of space, like gmail or one of Yahoo's, because you will be hit with emails with large attachments of photos, resumes, coverletters, scanned copies of passports, degrees, transcripts, letters of reference, and anything else that new teachers might think is useful(regardless of how much you may emphasize in your ad, that they only need to email resume/photo, at this time.). Then, you will have to play the filter game from your responses, to isolate candidates. Then, you will have to quickly engage in the email and phone tag game with those candidates, before they are swooped in on by any one of the 50+ recruiters that may be pitching them at the same time. The market moves quick for certain kinds of teachers, and if your director is very selective, you'll have to be Johnny-on-the-Spot with the phone and emailing.

Good luck.


Whao. It sounds more intimidating every time I get feedback-thank you very much for those link and the advice. I keep forgetting how much is involved. I wish I had more time....I appreciate your help though, I'm kind of a fish out of water on this one.
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kcat



Joined: 23 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul, Korea

PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Grotto wrote:
Well if we knew what 'a bit early' meant. A week? A month? A couple of days" we could make a more informed opinion.

Being told to find your replacement is not usual. It is a nice thing to do though.

3 weeks, and its necessary for me for another job. Thank you for your feedback BTW, I appreciate it.
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kcat



Joined: 23 Feb 2005
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Grotto wrote:
ahhh

No it is not your job and no it is not usual at all.

How to deal with this situation.

Well you have 4 options IMO

1. Look for a replacement out of the goodness of your own heart
2. Tell them you are looking for a replacement and dont
3. Tell them its not you job and you wont
4. Tell them you are looking for a replacement and expect 1,000,000 won recruiters fee when you find one.

It never ceases to amaze me Shocked the stuff Koreans try to push off on foreigners as their 'duty'

My GOD, is that what recruiters make? Wow. And they recruit teachers all ther time-nice income there...
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Grotto



Joined: 21 Mar 2004

PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yup

recruiters usually make between 750$US and up up up for each placement depending on how desparate the institution is.

One young lady I know placed 4 people from the UofA in Alberta and was paid, 1,200$US, 800$ US, 1000$ US and 2000$ US for the placements. Grand total 5,000$US(and that was back when the US dollar was worth something Laughing )
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just because



Joined: 01 Aug 2003
Location: Changwon - 4964

PostPosted: Fri Feb 25, 2005 9:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm in a bit of a similar situation.

My employers are begging me to find them somebody but don't want to give me or a recruiter any money.

They expect me to pull someone out of thin air, or think everyone I know is lining up to come here.

I said to them basically,"no money, no honey Wink "

I am putting an occaional ad here and there but what can you do.
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