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shakuhachi

Joined: 08 Feb 2003 Location: Sydney
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Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2005 12:33 am Post subject: |
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Gunshake, you arent convincing anyone. You only offer insults. I have an open mind, so if you have something to show me that will change my 'crippled mind', then lets see it. |
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DrewAgain
Joined: 07 Dec 2004 Location: Canada
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Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2005 12:37 am Post subject: |
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| chronicpride wrote: |
But, some of us also enjoy a tactful debate about the troubled history of Korea. Some of us have difficulty phrasing things appropriately when discussing this sensitive issue, but please bear in mind that there are not many Koreans on here that those people need to be mindful of. This is why I strongly feel that your thoughts and perspectives are very much welcomed, and in my opinion, very much needed on a board such as this.
For the most part, we are looking at Korean life and history from an objective viewpoint. We have no historical or personal attachments to your past. And, I feel that I can speak for almost everyone here, that we 110%, fully, completely understand that discussion topics such as this, are a thorny and sensitive issue for you and Koreans. Which underscores my effort to be tactful in choosing my words and expressing my thoughts.
I, for one, find your presence here to be very refreshing and beneficial, and would love to hear your feedback on the discussion points regarding Japanese occupation and if you feel that there may have been some positive influences left behind by them, despite the sensitive place it has in Koreans minds.
I apologize if you feel cornered and this is why you are coming off a little confrontational, but we are at a point of establishing an academic debate on an issue, which Korean professors of history and regional studies are quite at ease in engaging in. In fact, they are often the ones who bring it up and set the table with, for informed discussion with foreign students. |
Quite possibly the finest post I've read in a while. |
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Gunshake
Joined: 01 Feb 2005
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Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2005 1:39 am Post subject: |
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| shakuhachi wrote: |
Gunshake, you arent convincing anyone. You only offer insults. I have an open mind, so if you have something to show me that will change my 'crippled mind', then lets see it. |
Dear shakuhachi,
If all human beings are of a mind, how can it be possilbe that some nuts kidnap airplanes to crash into the monumental buildings created by crystalizing all the human intelligence and labor available in this modern world and kill thousands of innocent people?
Actually, I had had no idea about the existence of such a forum as this, before I heard the news about the English Spectrum incident. Every Korean around me was in a fuss about it. When I decided to find out what it really was and tried to get to the site, it was already closed and gone. That is how, after making some roundabouts, I could hit upon this forum.
I found that most of the topics discussed here were really useful for me to understand in many affirmative ways the life of foreigners staying here, but at first I wanted to remain an observer with no intention of posting my opinion, because I thought it could be an unsolicited encroachment made by an outsider. As long as this Dokdo issue was concerned, however, I firmly believed there was something seriously wrong going on and felt the urge to put my nose in. It took a couple of days for me to realize that it was I who got hold of the wrong end of the stick. There proved to be nothing serious here. The Dokdo issue and all the big deal that you call Korean history are no more serious trivia to you than the I-f**k-with- three-Korean-women-every-night issue on the English Spectrum was.
Maybe being serious is not becoming to the purpose of staying here for some of you or just the waste of intelligence for the others.
I was misled on that point, and if I offended you it was only because I was unnecessarily too serious about the trivia you and other people picked up to play with. This, however, does not oblige me to apologize. It was your fault that you did not proclaim in the beginning that the goal was not the conclusion. On the other hand, I and other Koreans can never stand the truth directly related with us being kicked around in a junk yard.
Anyhow, I would like you to understand why I had to see this issue from such a diffent angle from yours. It was not my intention be a personal
antagonist with you. So enjoy your days and good-bye.
P.S. But the feline expression does not go very well with your open mind. It only looks too mean. |
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chronicpride

Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2005 2:15 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the slap-in-the-face that you just gave me on your way out, by completely snubbing the long post where I lobbied and appealed to you at length that your voice here is appreciated, welcomed, and encouraged by others, and that your feelings on this issue are totally respected and justified.
Please be considerate of your selective oversight of the positive things that have been said on these past few pages and therefore, for the sake of upholding your own integrity, please act responsibly and be honest with yourself when you go out and speak of foreigners to other Koreans, that there are a helluva lot of us that care. |
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Tiberious aka Sparkles

Joined: 23 Jan 2003 Location: I'm one cool cat!
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Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2005 3:10 am Post subject: |
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I walked by a restaurant today called �ع� ������ �츮�� (Seafood - Dokdo is our land).
I like political statements in restaurant names. I wish more places would do that. Maybe Bennigans could rename their chain Give Ireland Back To The Irish.
Sparkles*_* |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2005 4:58 am Post subject: |
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Air Force jets scrambled to repel Tokto intrusion
South Korean Air Force jets were scrambled yesterday to intercept a Japanese civilian plane that was on the verge of intruding into air space above the disputed Tokto islands. The flight ratcheted up tensions after a string of recent incidents reignited a simmering territorial dispute over the tiny islands, which are claimed by both Japan and Korea. An official with the South Korean Joint Chiefs of Staff said yesterday that a C-560 Cessna, belonging to the Asahi Shimbun, a major Japanese daily, asked South Korean authorities at Incheon International Airport for permission to enter the Korea Air Defense Identification Zone (KADIZ) in order to take pictures. The request was denied.
But at 9:28 am, South Korean military monitoring the airspace around the peninsula noticed the plane leaving Japan's Osaka International Airport. A South Korean air patrol of four F-5 jets was then alerted. Air defense forces issued four radio warnings at around 10 a.m. to the Japanese plane. By this time, the four South Korean interceptors were within 50 kilometers (30 miles) of the Japanese plane. On the ground, two F-4 jets at Daegu Airport were also readied.
However, after the warnings, the plane--that had come within a mile of the KADIZ--turned away and headed back to Japan. "If it turns out that the plane did this intentionally, we will ask the Japanese government to take measures to prevent similar incidents," said a Foreign Ministry official. The Asahi Shimbun said the aircraft had no intention of intruding.
by Brian Lee, JoongAng Daily (March 09, 2005)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200503/08/200503082219573039900090409041.html
F-5
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W.T.Carl
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2005 6:10 am Post subject: |
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| What do you think would happen if those KAF F-5s and F-4s tangle with a Japanese F-15? |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 4:11 am Post subject: |
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[EDITORIAL] Wrong decision on Dokdo
The Japanese prefecture of Shimane took gravely misguided action when it passed an ordinance on "Takeshima Day" through its council yesterday, claiming provincial and, by extension, Japanese territorial rights to the Korean Dokdo islets in the East Sea.
As Foreign Minister Ban Ki-moon said, the action taken by the Japanese prefecture will make no change whatsoever in the status of the rocky islets, which have been under the control of the Korean government with a police detachment guarding them. They are part of Korean territory - undeniably so in effect, in history and under international law.
Still, the prefecture's passage of the ordinance is both provocative and intolerable to the Korean people and government, which will have no other choice but to take countermeasures.
Korea wanted a low-key approach because it did not want to play into Japan's hands. Its rationale was that there was no reason to respond each time when someone else laid an unjustifiable claim to what was legitimately held in our possession. That probably was one of the reasons why Korea restricted access to the islets despite public protests.
Such a restraint is now rendered meaningless by the Shimane Prefecture's declaration of Feb. 22 as "Takeshima Day." The Japanese government will have to realize that whatever countermeasures the Korean government takes in the days ahead, it has provoked these by its own woefully regrettable action or inaction.
The Korea Herald (March 17, 2005)
http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/SITE/data/html_dir/2005/03/17/200503170013.asp |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 7:08 am Post subject: |
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Anti-Japanese sentiments are intensifying, with some civic groups and netizens declaring boycotts of Japanese goods. Gyeongbuk Province's parliament organized a "Protest against Japan's outrageous attempt to claim sovereignty over Dokdo" for around 11:30 a.m. that day in the courtyard of the parliament, where it burned a three meter by two meter Japanese national flag. Three parliamentarians, including Yoon Gyeong-hee (46), shaved their heads in protest.
by Sung-Jin Choi, Donga.com
http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?biid=2005031793638
Dokdo Pier to be Repaired and New Weaponry to be Provided to Dokdo Police
The National Police Agency (NPA) announced Wednesday that it is considering "repairing the Dokdo pier to allow the approach of a 500-ton ship in case average citizens are allowed to visit the islets."
The NPA is also planning to repair the handrails along the pier's passageways and build a shelter in preparation for bad weather conditions. In addition, the NPA decided to replace the garrison's old .50-caliber heavy machine gun with the K-6 machine gun, a new model made in Korea, by this April.
http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?biid=2005031793488 |
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