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djbackdoor
Joined: 29 Dec 2004
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 Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 1:24 am Post subject: |
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| Gwangjuboy wrote: |
| We could have been great pals. Sharing porno mags, and watching trains. However, Colin doesn't like people making stupid comments and refusing to admit their errors even after he attempted to guide them down the correct path. You should be greatful that I enlightened you. Lets make a deal; If you stop being silly and admit that London is more expensive than Seoul Colin will lend you a mag and be your best friend forever! |
Seek professional help. |
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Yaya
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 2:06 am Post subject: |
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| Gwangjuboy wrote: |
| cheem wrote: |
| You can attribute my attitude to my "gyoponess" -- and frankly, I wouldn't expect anything less simplistic from you -- but if you think about it, it's the gyopos on this board who seem to be the only ones who can empathize with Koreans when the babies here start to mewl. If I was Korean/white, not gyopo, you'd have no ammunition, would you? |
So gyopos are never bigoted? Ya ya has received a whipping on this and he deserves it. His derogatory statements about Mexican immigrants were great works of fiction and I am bemused that you think such stories shouldn't go unchallenged. Gyopos do themselves little favours when they participate in der stumer style TV "documentaries" in which they lie to the Korean nation about their employment opportunities here either. |
You sound like you've never lived in the US, but then again, you ignore the stats and reports I quote. What proof do you have that gyopos lie? As far as I'm concerned, you might be a former manager at McDonald's back in the UK, or wherever the hell you are from.
Well, my statements about Mexican illegals and immigrants aren't mine only. Did you even bother to read the research reports I quoted? Obviously not. |
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dogbert
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: Killbox 90210
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| Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 2:08 am Post subject: |
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| You can find tons of Central American immigrants working at Korean restaurants in L.A. |
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Yaya
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 2:21 am Post subject: |
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| dogbert wrote: |
| You can find tons of Central American immigrants working at Korean restaurants in L.A. |
You know, let's get this straight. I have no problem with people who are in the US LEGALLY, Mexicans included. I believe all illegal aliens who purposely overstay their visas should be deported, KOREANS INCLUDED. What I do have a problem with is allowing a certain type of people in who just drain the country, and giving illegals benefits that many citizens do not get.
I'm not gonna repeat my sources but well, I'll just say the US should follow Canada's lead in accepting immigrants that will contribute to the host country, and not ones that will feed off the system. Many Chicanos (Americans of Mexican descent) agree with this, as it seems Mexico is trying to solve its poverty problem by exporting it to the US. The majority of Americans are against the guest worker program. And dogbert, you never rebutted anything in the reports I presented, but well, I've presented them before and you did it then so I shouldn't be surprised.
Back to the issue, I've had mostly good experiences with kiwis, but only in Seoul. Of course, the picture could change back in Kiwiland but that's another story. |
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dogbert
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: Killbox 90210
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| Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 2:33 am Post subject: |
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| Yaya wrote: |
| You know, let's get this straight. I have no problem with people who are in the US LEGALLY, Mexicans included. I believe all illegal aliens who purposely overstay their visas should be deported, KOREANS INCLUDED. What I do have a problem with is allowing a certain type of people in who just drain the country, and giving illegals benefits that many citizens do not get. |
But wait a minute.
You talk about illegal immigrants having kids and their kids having kids and all of them being on welfare, downward spiral, etc.
However, the kids and their kids are born U.S. citizens.
Not only that, the fact is that many illegal aliens do not apply for welfare because they are naturally reluctant to sign up for any government benefit for fear of deportation. Even those that do are granted benefits only for those of their children who are U.S. citizens. Non-citizen mothers and non-citizen children do not receive cash benefits.
Further, welfare (or whatever its official name is nowadays) is not something that is granted to intact families. Do you have any stats on how many of these alleged illegal immigrant welfare mothers are single mothers? I don't, but my experience tells me that the majority of illegal Latino immigrants are single males (unaccompanied by families).
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| I'm not gonna repeat my sources but well, I'll just say the US should follow Canada's lead in accepting immigrants that will contribute to the host country, and not ones that will feed off the system. Many Chicanos (Americans of Mexican descent) agree with this, as it seems Mexico is trying to solve its poverty problem by exporting it to the US. The majority of Americans are against the guest worker program. And dogbert, you never rebutted anything in the reports I presented, but well, I've presented them before and you did it then so I shouldn't be surprised. |
No, I haven't even read them (although I have read similar demographic studies re: immigrants, poverty, and public support). But that was not my argument.
My argument was that California was a more pleasant and livable place before the recent mass and unplanned influx of immigrants, whether those immigrants were from Asia or south of the border. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 2:52 am Post subject: |
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| Yaya wrote: |
| What proof do you have that gyopos lie? As far as I'm concerned, you might be a former manager at McDonald's back in the UK, or wherever the hell you are from. |
The gyopo in that SBS programme lied to the Koren nation that gyopos can't get jobs in Korea.
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| Well, my statements about Mexican illegals and immigrants aren't mine only. Did you even bother to read the research reports I quoted? Obviously not. |
I read them as I said previously. I also read a conflicting report which spoke of harmony, mixed dating/marriage, and a good working partnership bewteen Koreans and Mexicans in the US. Your sources are not gospel, and from what I have read about the issue I am satisfied that there are more sides to this coin than you would have this audience believe. |
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Yaya
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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| dogbert wrote: |
| Yaya wrote: |
| You know, let's get this straight. I have no problem with people who are in the US LEGALLY, Mexicans included. I believe all illegal aliens who purposely overstay their visas should be deported, KOREANS INCLUDED. What I do have a problem with is allowing a certain type of people in who just drain the country, and giving illegals benefits that many citizens do not get. |
But wait a minute.
You talk about illegal immigrants having kids and their kids having kids and all of them being on welfare, downward spiral, etc.
However, the kids and their kids are born U.S. citizens.
Not only that, the fact is that many illegal aliens do not apply for welfare because they are naturally reluctant to sign up for any government benefit for fear of deportation. Even those that do are granted benefits only for those of their children who are U.S. citizens. Non-citizen mothers and non-citizen children do not receive cash benefits.
Further, welfare (or whatever its official name is nowadays) is not something that is granted to intact families. Do you have any stats on how many of these alleged illegal immigrant welfare mothers are single mothers? I don't, but my experience tells me that the majority of illegal Latino immigrants are single males (unaccompanied by families).
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| I'm not gonna repeat my sources but well, I'll just say the US should follow Canada's lead in accepting immigrants that will contribute to the host country, and not ones that will feed off the system. Many Chicanos (Americans of Mexican descent) agree with this, as it seems Mexico is trying to solve its poverty problem by exporting it to the US. The majority of Americans are against the guest worker program. And dogbert, you never rebutted anything in the reports I presented, but well, I've presented them before and you did it then so I shouldn't be surprised. |
No, I haven't even read them (although I have read similar demographic studies re: immigrants, poverty, and public support). But that was not my argument.
My argument was that California was a more pleasant and livable place before the recent mass and unplanned influx of immigrants, whether those immigrants were from Asia or south of the border. |
Yeah, I figured you didn't read them. I guess stats are just too foreign for you.
I hear McDonald's is hiring. |
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Yaya
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Gwangjuboy wrote: |
| Yaya wrote: |
| What proof do you have that gyopos lie? As far as I'm concerned, you might be a former manager at McDonald's back in the UK, or wherever the hell you are from. |
The gyopo in that SBS programme lied to the Koren nation that gyopos can't get jobs in Korea.
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| Well, my statements about Mexican illegals and immigrants aren't mine only. Did you even bother to read the research reports I quoted? Obviously not. |
I read them as I said previously. I also read a conflicting report which spoke of harmony, mixed dating/marriage, and a good working partnership bewteen Koreans and Mexicans in the US. Your sources are not gospel, and from what I have read about the issue I am satisfied that there are more sides to this coin than you would have this audience believe. |
One thing about reports. Many in the US are geared not to offend, even when the truth is out there. But hey, I guess I'm talking to some pathetic bleeding heart liberal who assumes minorities can do no wrong, bla bla bla, it's whitey's fault, bla bla bla. Many decry racial profiling by taxi drivers in NY, but well, many of the taxi drivers who won't pick up black passengers ARE BLACK THEMSELVES. And is it because they hate blacks? NO, it's because they've been stiffed or assaulted so many times disproportionately by black passengers. Sort of reminds me of a ruling in San Francisco when some judge ruled that a pizza company had to deliver in a certain neighborhood out of some crazy PC notion of equality, when that area saw several attacks on delivery drivers and it was more a safety issue than a racial one.
And well, go ahead and wallow in your "satisfaction" (whatever the hell that means). I wouldn't expect a Brit to understand life in the US anyway, and I have strange feeling Brits are even more PC nazis than Americans can be.
I reiterate my points -- the US should adopt a Canada-style immigration policy and admit people who will be constructive rather than feed off the system. And it's ludicrous to give illegals rights such as health and welfare benefits and drivers licenses. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 11:56 pm Post subject: |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2005 12:00 am Post subject: |
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| Yaya wrote: |
| dogbert wrote: |
| Yaya wrote: |
| You know, let's get this straight. I have no problem with people who are in the US LEGALLY, Mexicans included. I believe all illegal aliens who purposely overstay their visas should be deported, KOREANS INCLUDED. What I do have a problem with is allowing a certain type of people in who just drain the country, and giving illegals benefits that many citizens do not get. |
But wait a minute.
You talk about illegal immigrants having kids and their kids having kids and all of them being on welfare, downward spiral, etc.
However, the kids and their kids are born U.S. citizens.
Not only that, the fact is that many illegal aliens do not apply for welfare because they are naturally reluctant to sign up for any government benefit for fear of deportation. Even those that do are granted benefits only for those of their children who are U.S. citizens. Non-citizen mothers and non-citizen children do not receive cash benefits.
Further, welfare (or whatever its official name is nowadays) is not something that is granted to intact families. Do you have any stats on how many of these alleged illegal immigrant welfare mothers are single mothers? I don't, but my experience tells me that the majority of illegal Latino immigrants are single males (unaccompanied by families).
| Yaya wrote: |
| I'm not gonna repeat my sources but well, I'll just say the US should follow Canada's lead in accepting immigrants that will contribute to the host country, and not ones that will feed off the system. Many Chicanos (Americans of Mexican descent) agree with this, as it seems Mexico is trying to solve its poverty problem by exporting it to the US. The majority of Americans are against the guest worker program. And dogbert, you never rebutted anything in the reports I presented, but well, I've presented them before and you did it then so I shouldn't be surprised. |
No, I haven't even read them (although I have read similar demographic studies re: immigrants, poverty, and public support). But that was not my argument.
My argument was that California was a more pleasant and livable place before the recent mass and unplanned influx of immigrants, whether those immigrants were from Asia or south of the border. |
Yeah, I figured you didn't read them. I guess stats are just too foreign for you.
I hear McDonald's is hiring. |
What is it with you and the McDonalds jibes? What exactly do you do that is so great? If you are considered above ESL teachers here in terms of income bracket, and occupation, it certainly doesn't show in your posts. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2005 12:32 am Post subject: |
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| One thing about reports. Many in the US are geared not to offend, even when the truth is out there. But hey, I guess I'm talking to some pathetic bleeding heart liberal who assumes minorities can do no wrong, bla bla bla, it's whitey's fault, bla bla bla. |
Not at all. I believe immigration in the West is out of control. I would have vast hordes of immigrants repatriated until countries like Japan and South Korea start taking in their fair share of refugees. There is no reason why rich Asian countries shouldn't have their cultures altered in the same way that Europe has. Unfortunately, our spineless governments in Europe have no inclination to stop radical muslims, Eastern European mafia leaders, and HIV poitive refugees, from seeking shelter at our inn. For the purposes of this thread I am playing devil's advocate. I have read accounts of harmony and bliss between Mexicans and Korean Americans. There is another side to this coin, and you are trying to shield it for reasons unbeknown to myself.
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| And well, go ahead and wallow in your "satisfaction" (whatever the hell that means). I wouldn't expect a Brit to understand life in the US anyway, and I have strange feeling Brits are even more PC nazis than Americans can be. |
I am as far from PC as you can imagine. I favour extremely tight immigration policies, and even forced repatriation for immigrants who commit crime, (that would include Korean Americans employing Mexicans without the appropriate papers) test HIV positive, and propogate hatred for the West. Citizenship would not be granted for a long time(your family might possibly not be US citizens yet in this case for example). These immigrants would be placed on special visas which facilitate immediate deportation for the aforementioned activites. I agree that some of my fellow Brits are too PC. You are damn right about that.
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| I reiterate my points -- the US should adopt a Canada-style immigration policy and admit people who will be constructive rather than feed off the system. And it's ludicrous to give illegals rights such as health and welfare benefits and drivers licenses. |
No. The Western world should adopt an extremely tough immigration policy. Should there be many victims of persecution who would otherwise be refugees military action would be taken.(Kosovo for example)
The current status quo were we spend millions of pounds in conflicts and then cointinue to let these refugees flood into our countries despite removing the regime that persecuted them is outragious. Why there is a singke Kosovan in my hometown is well beyond me. They have been saved! Slobodan has been removed! |
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Yaya
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 12:23 am Post subject: |
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Tell you what, let's leave it there, but Asia is already overcrowded as it is, plus they are too monocultural to allow in and accept immigrants. It's like Australia, I'd never emigrate there given the bad treatment of minorities.
I don't doubt that there are some Mexicans who contribute to US society, but you might want to visit California one of these days and see for yourself firsthand what goes on there.
A country's immigration policy, again, is that nation's choice and business. It's almost like bemoaning, geez, why aren't people nicer? |
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dogbert
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: Killbox 90210
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| Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 9:06 am Post subject: |
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| Yaya wrote: |
| dogbert wrote: |
| Yaya wrote: |
| You know, let's get this straight. I have no problem with people who are in the US LEGALLY, Mexicans included. I believe all illegal aliens who purposely overstay their visas should be deported, KOREANS INCLUDED. What I do have a problem with is allowing a certain type of people in who just drain the country, and giving illegals benefits that many citizens do not get. |
But wait a minute.
You talk about illegal immigrants having kids and their kids having kids and all of them being on welfare, downward spiral, etc.
However, the kids and their kids are born U.S. citizens.
Not only that, the fact is that many illegal aliens do not apply for welfare because they are naturally reluctant to sign up for any government benefit for fear of deportation. Even those that do are granted benefits only for those of their children who are U.S. citizens. Non-citizen mothers and non-citizen children do not receive cash benefits.
Further, welfare (or whatever its official name is nowadays) is not something that is granted to intact families. Do you have any stats on how many of these alleged illegal immigrant welfare mothers are single mothers? I don't, but my experience tells me that the majority of illegal Latino immigrants are single males (unaccompanied by families).
| Yaya wrote: |
| I'm not gonna repeat my sources but well, I'll just say the US should follow Canada's lead in accepting immigrants that will contribute to the host country, and not ones that will feed off the system. Many Chicanos (Americans of Mexican descent) agree with this, as it seems Mexico is trying to solve its poverty problem by exporting it to the US. The majority of Americans are against the guest worker program. And dogbert, you never rebutted anything in the reports I presented, but well, I've presented them before and you did it then so I shouldn't be surprised. |
No, I haven't even read them (although I have read similar demographic studies re: immigrants, poverty, and public support). But that was not my argument.
My argument was that California was a more pleasant and livable place before the recent mass and unplanned influx of immigrants, whether those immigrants were from Asia or south of the border. |
Yeah, I figured you didn't read them. I guess stats are just too foreign for you.
I hear McDonald's is hiring. |
My doctorate trumps your wishful thinking.
My point, thick-head, is that it is rich for a Korean immigrant to be bitching about Mexican immigrants when the fact is that both groups of you have caused deterioration in the quality of life for residents of the state. |
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dogbert
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 9:11 am Post subject: |
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| Yaya wrote: |
Yeah, I figured you didn't read them. I guess stats are just too foreign for you.
I hear McDonald's is hiring. |
Are you even smart enough to see the contradiction between your statement that you have no problem with legal Mexican immigrants and your gripe about generations of Mexican immigrants on welfare? The ones getting welfare do so because they are legal or their kids are legal.
You, in your typical kyopo racism against the people who managed to build a country and society that attracted you and your parents to immigrate to, can continue to make jibes about me, but I have a better education than you and I make more money than you.
And since I have lived in California at least fifteen times longer than you have, I can state for certainty that it was a better place before you arrogant people showed up fleeing your Confucian overpopulation. |
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Blind Willie
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| Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 9:39 am Post subject: |
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I find the bigotry-justifying one upmanship in this thread to be Olympian in it's spirit.
Special Olympian... |
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