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Homer
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 Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 2:55 am Post subject: |
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No worries the eye... 
I was just joking around. You did get my age range down path however...
I see your point about appearances. However, I have been with my wife for a few years now and we met in my late 20's and hence did not have "the look" you mention then. We still did not encounter hatred or had problems as a mixed couple. We did get the odd look but thats par for the course when you are a mixed couple.
I do realize my experiences are not universally applicable but I remain convinced of two things about this mixed couples have a lot of problems phenomenon.
One, I believe that people who have many such problems are often partly to be blamed for these problems. How so? Simply put, they refuse to change their behavior while here in Korea (ex: kissing in public...and I don't mean a little peck here). Having talked to many people in mixed relationships, some who have trouble seem to go looking for it. They glare at anyone who stares and have a generally provocative attitude. That, in my opinion will just mean that trouble will find you.
Two, I think that reports of these racial problems are exagerated online. Why? Because here there can be no real verification of the facts. Also, online forums are a place where many go to dump their garbage about Korea.
There are problems for some mixed couples thats for sure. However, the true extent of the problem most likely lies much lower then it is portrayed on here.
I am sorry for those who encounter idiots here. It is a sad thing indeed.
I am not sorry for those who refuse to see that they are living in a different society and insist on applying their social norms to this country. That, in short, is just asking for it. |
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Pyongshin Sangja
Joined: 20 Apr 2003
Location: I love baby!
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| Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 3:08 am Post subject: |
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| The reason I strongly support it is that the number of foreign illegal teachers are in fact from Canada and some of the other commonwealth countries that enjoy the 6-month entry permit. |
See, this goes to show that you don't know what you are talking about. Canada is the only country in the entire world that gets 6 months in SK. Not Australia, not NZ, not the UK and certainly not the US. Just Canada. Look it up. You aren't used to being behind Canadians in many things. This is one of them. Suck it up.
So, after being pushed around by Americans for years at home I'm a bit edgy when we are on neutral ground and I do take this personally. Should SK Imm. be checking up on teachers with multiple tourist visas? Perhaps. Are there Canadians teaching illegally here? Of course. Are they the majority? Of course. Should SK hagwons hire fewer illegals? Of course. Is attacking Canadians' visa status with the Koreans the way to implement this? I don't think so.
I work illegally all the time. I will until the day I leave Korea. All my friends, and I mean all of them, work illegally all the time. All the Americans I know work just as many hours illegally as the Canadians. Do I know many totally illegal Americans? No, not many. Canadians, yeah a lot. I think that your talk about streamlining requirements is just more American bossiness that Canadians have to put up with. You're used to pushing Canadians and South Koreans around, you see us as easy marks. This isn't your country, go back to North America and start another trade war with us if you really dislike us that much. Some friends. |
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lastat06513
Joined: 18 Mar 2003
Location: Sensus amo Caesar , etiamnunc victus amo uni plebian
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| Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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You know..you're right.
Instead of attacking Canadians for their priviledge of having a 6-month visa, I should be trying to push my own government to try to start a 6-month entry visa for Americans.
This way, Americans would have the same priviledges as Canadians do, which is to stay for 6 months.
But wouldn't that create competition for even part time work as well?
I would like to know everyone's opinion about that?
This is what compromise is all about....... |
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Wangja
Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan
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| Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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| lastat06513 wrote: |
You know..you're right.
Instead of attacking Canadians for their priviledge of having a 6-month visa, I should be trying to push my own government to try to start a 6-month entry visa for Americans.
This way, Americans would have the same priviledges as Canadians do, which is to stay for 6 months.
But wouldn't that create competition for even part time work as well?
I would like to know everyone's opinion about that?
This is what compromise is all about....... |
Yep, that's be a good thing to do. But ....
these things are normally reciprcal and I see no reason for the Korean government to start letting US citizens in visa-free for 180 days unless their own citizens are accorded the same privilege in US. Does anybody?
As the US tightens its rules they should not be too surprised if other countries start to review their own rules. |
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lastat06513
Joined: 18 Mar 2003
Location: Sensus amo Caesar , etiamnunc victus amo uni plebian
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| Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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Wangja~ I know and that is one of the most questionable aspects of the American government, they can't tell the difference between friend or foe.
And governments are already doing reciprical moves to the US.
Like in Brazil, they are having every incoming American fingerprinted at the airport. |
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Kimchieluver
Joined: 02 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not skirting around the issue,
I am just going alittle more indepth.
And as for the additional documents, they do ask for it as long as there is reason for them to believe that a person might be doing extra work while on a tourist visa. And alot of people on this board are not just teachers, some of them are businessmen and so on who have since moved on since initially coming to Korea to teach. So, some of theinformation posted here is not only relevent to teachers, I think this board is one of the few good sources of information that has not been attacked my the "cyber k-squad".
Yes, I am an American, but only by birth, and yes alot of the actions of my compatriots in uniform do cause alot of innocent people harm.
But like the Koreans, some people here take it upon themselves to bash others and point fingers instead of trying to find a real solution to the problem.
Not all Americans are beer-drinking sex mongers who go around preying on hapless young women. And not all teachers are backpacking playboys who only come here to earn some extra dough before heading off for another "beach season" in South Asia.
If I was, I can also toss stones at alot of Canadians who come to Korea only to pay back student loans or only get a sense of independence before heading back to Canada to move out of their parent's home.
But, I don't because not all Canadians come here for those reasons and I also have more Canadian friends than American ones.
And someone wrote about the unfair treatment given to younger teachers compared to the older ones. Well....that has always been my experience ever since I first got here when I was a 19 years old soldier and again in 2000, when I came back here as a teacher at 23.
Koreans tend to see age as a major factor of respect; the older a person is, the more they tend to know about a certain job.
I know this doesn't always apply, but the principal is always there.
But I don't want to get off topic.
I do strongly support the 3-month entry for Canadians for the simple fact that many of them are the ones doing privates and because I think that by streamlining the system across the board would not only make it easier to do checks on foreign teachers coming to work in Korea, but it will also make the profession seem more professional.
I have had C-3s, E-2s, D-1s and A-1 visas, I do have an idea what I am talking about  |
What's wrong with paying off your student loans? Why do most North Americans and Western countries take any job? Money. Also, if you can visit a beach resort with low airfair after you're done, why not do it? |
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Pyongshin Sangja
Joined: 20 Apr 2003
Location: I love baby!
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| Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Because a lot of people look down on scum that needed to get student loans. Mommy and Daddy paid for everything. |
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Barking Mad Lord Snapcase
Joined: 04 Nov 2003
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| Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Homer wrote: |
One, I believe that people who have many such problems are often partly to be blamed for these problems. How so? Simply put, they refuse to change their behavior while here in Korea (ex: kissing in public...and I don't mean a little peck here). Having talked to many people in mixed relationships, some who have trouble seem to go looking for it. They glare at anyone who stares and have a generally provocative attitude. That, in my opinion will just mean that trouble will find you.
Two, I think that reports of these racial problems are exagerated online. Why? Because here there can be no real verification of the facts. Also, online forums are a place where many go to dump their garbage about Korea. |
I know it is often a 2-sided issue. However, must you always take sides with Korea, even when Westerners are the victims? |
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Barking Mad Lord Snapcase
Joined: 04 Nov 2003
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| Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Pyongshin Sangja wrote: |
| Because a lot of people look down on scum that needed to get student loans. Mommy and Daddy paid for everything. |
Did you ever visit the doctor in your own country? Or the dentist? Does it matter to you how their education was financed? |
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