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MOL decision Re: Sogang Univ
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Real Reality



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2005 7:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hellofaniceguy wrote:
"My thought on this is that I think most koreans would not rock the boat and just accept the rearend shafting that many get. They... koreans... have to live in korea and need their jobs....where foreigners tell the boss to stick it and leave korea."

Well, I guess the practice of dungchiming prepares them. Foreigners are not used to it.

"If you teach Kindergarten kids, you may well find them 'dungchim-ing' you before too long (a finger is projected up your butt)."
http://travel.nzoom.com/cda/printable/1,1856,174014,00.html

Foreigners Experience Difficulties in Living in Korea
Overall living conditions, including education, housing, medical care, transportation, immigration, and access to the Internet are pointed to as inconveniences. Not only inconveniences caused by different systems and customs in Korea, but also special discriminating practices, such as the practice of submitting two years of monthly rent in advance like a deposit, which is required of foreigners just because they are foreigners, are ubiquitous. "Even though Korea has achieved some degree of globalization in going abroad, it has still a long way to go for globalization in embracing foreigners inward," said foreigners residing in Korea.
by Jae-Dong Yu and Soo-Jung Shin, Donga.com
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Have you been paid late in Korea?
1. Never - I must be lucky! ................................ 30%
2. Once or twice - no big deal, minor annoyance... 23%
3. Several times - hate it! ................................... 20%
4. Several times - but I understand the culture, doesn't bother me.... 6%
5. Many times - sigh.............................................16%
6. WTF! I've never been paid on time! ARGH!!!!!!!! 2%

The Great Wall of Whiner wrote,
My last job in Korea went something like this:
ME: Tomorrow is my payday! I can't wait to go out for a nice meal!
BOSS: Yes! I almost forgot! After work tomorrow is your pay money.
==next day...
ME: Hi. I'm here to collect my pay.
BOSS: Oh! So sorry! I forgot! I give to you on Monday.
==next Monday...
ME: Hi. Can I have my pay now please?
BOSS: Ohhh! Again sorry! Tomorrow..tomorrow..bad memory..
==next day...
ME: Please pay me now.
BOSS: Uh, only I can pay you 400,000. Is that ok? Next week, I give you all the rest.
==This went on for months until things came to a boil...
So I have a bitter taste when it comes to hagwons in Korea.
(Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2004)
Have you ever been paid late in Korea?
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ajuma



Joined: 18 Feb 2003
Location: Anywere but Seoul!!

PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2005 8:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

prosodic: Laughing You should have gone with my school in the first place!! kkk
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prosodic



Joined: 21 Jun 2004
Location: ����

PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2005 11:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ajuma wrote:
prosodic: Laughing You should have gone with my school in the first place!! kkk


Yeah, you're right. Hey, I'm going to be in your part of Korea next weekend for a friend's housewarming party. We should get together.
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tzechuk



Joined: 20 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 1:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

prosodic wrote:
Sogang finally paid the money (yesterday). They were just stalling for time, probably hoping that I would get frustrated and stop bugging them about it.


Congratulations.
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Len8



Joined: 12 Feb 2003
Location: Kyungju

PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 5:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's this about pension kicking in when you reach 18 hours per week. I thought everyone got pension deductions and contributions regardless of hours worked.

I knew of someone working at a university that had a private pension fund, and that after two years when the university transfered to the national pension fund he was given a lump sum from the university. He was an Australian and he only worked 15 hours a week. Lump some was pension deductions plus contributions from the university.
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prosodic



Joined: 21 Jun 2004
Location: ����

PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 5:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Len8 wrote:
What's this about pension kicking in when you reach 18 hours per week. I thought everyone got pension deductions and contributions regardless of hours worked.

I knew of someone working at a university that had a private pension fund, and that after two years when the university transfered to the national pension fund he was given a lump sum from the university. He was an Australian and he only worked 15 hours a week. Lump some was pension deductions plus contributions from the university.


I spent several hours talking with agents of the National Pension Corporation. The requirement is at 18 hours because at less than that you could legally be called part time. Most universities choose to consider you full time for anywhere from 9-15 hours and so provide pension. Sogang's university institute still chooses to consider you �ð� ����, part-time instructor, up to 17 hours. The agents at the NPC were equally baffled as you and I about why Sogang chose that particular policy and the agents called Sogang a few times to ask them about it. Believe me, if there had been any legal way to get that changed, I would have pursued it.

At my new job, I've got pension for significantly less than 18 hours a week.
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