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Corporal
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Universalis wrote: |
| And wear a good tie. I used to wear the 3,000W cheapos from Itaewon, but the poor quality can be seen from a mile away. |
This thread is getting gay. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Daechidong Waygookin wrote: |
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| Universalis wrote: |
| A man in a suit is sending a message of maturity, responsibility, style, and class to those around him. You just can't go wrong in a suit. |
An English teacher in a suit is sending a message of deficiency and insecurity to most westerners I know. But if Korean parents and bosses, and women with reciprocal inadequacies, fall for it, then by all means milk it for what it's worth if you can be arsed to dress up. |
Because you are a slob and a loser.
Listen, there are Englishee teachers, sucy as you, and there are English teachers. The first group is a bunch of drunks, unprofessional boys who rightfully so have trash jobs that fit their attitude. Then there are professionals who want to be professional in every area, and dress is such an area. Unlike you, I have a proper job not just a hagwon "job" where I am surrounded by professionals who also dress well. If I was to have your attitude I would stick out as the unprofessional englisheee teacher you come across as.
Finally, opinions of people like you (Westerners) are the last thing that I lose sleep over. You will continue to be the migrant Englishee teacher with no roots for the rest of your life. I stopped being what you are years ago.
Enjoy your 2.0million. You can continue to dress the way you want and continue getting a salary that fits your attitude. |
While my taking the first overseas job that came along because I wanted to travel and get away may make me somewhat of a loser, I really am one of the better dressed and groomed hogwan teachers around here. I wouldn't be so silly as to mistake that for professionalism, however. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 6:37 pm Post subject: Re: FUBU |
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| fastfreddie wrote: |
Yu Bum Suk wrote
An English teacher in a suit is sending a message of deficiency and insecurity to most westerners I know. But if Korean parents and bosses, and women with reciprocal inadequacies, fall for it, then by all means milk it for what it's worth if you can be arsed to dress up.
Written with all the self-importance of a high school grad. "Message of deficiency and insecurity ?" Your post epitomizes it, chump.
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Several people who are obviously much more excited about what they're wearing than what they're teaching are trying to convince us about the importance of 'professionalism'? Get real. |
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the_beaver
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 11:12 pm Post subject: Re: FUBU |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| Several people who are obviously much more excited about what they're wearing than what they're teaching are trying to convince us about the importance of 'professionalism'? Get real. |
For the record, I get plenty excited about what I'm teaching. |
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Universalis
Joined: 17 Nov 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 12:33 am Post subject: |
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| I have always thought it was what you did in the classroom, rather than the clothes you wore as you entered it that decided whether you would gain the respect of your students. Students respect teachers who can teach regardless of whether or not they wear a suit. If you can't teach, then no suit is going to gain you respect. |
Scott, wearing a suit is just icing on the cake for me. I enjoy my job, my home, and my current lifestyle here, and even though I don't have to wear a suit, I do so from time-to-time.
Don't get me wrong... if business casual is acceptable at your school and you're happy with that, stick with it. But I would recommend wearing a suit because as much as we hate to admit it, image matters (especially in Korea).
If you're a good teacher *and* a good dresser, your students and your boss will appreciate you even more. That's my opinion, anyway...
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kangnamdragon
Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Kangnam, Seoul, Korea
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| Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 12:34 am Post subject: |
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| Corporal wrote: |
| Universalis wrote: |
| And wear a good tie. I used to wear the 3,000W cheapos from Itaewon, but the poor quality can be seen from a mile away. |
This thread is getting gay. |
Nah, I think it's getting stud.  |
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kangnamdragon
Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Kangnam, Seoul, Korea
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| Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 12:36 am Post subject: |
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| Universalis wrote: |
| Scott in HK wrote: |
| I have always thought it was what you did in the classroom, rather than the clothes you wore as you entered it that decided whether you would gain the respect of your students. Students respect teachers who can teach regardless of whether or not they wear a suit. If you can't teach, then no suit is going to gain you respect. |
Scott, wearing a suit is just icing on the cake for me. I enjoy my job, my home, and my current lifestyle here, and even though I don't have to wear a suit, I do so from time-to-time.
Don't get me wrong... if business casual is acceptable at your school and you're happy with that, stick with it. But I would recommend wearing a suit because as much as we hate to admit it, image matters (especially in Korea).
If you're a good teacher *and* a good dresser, your students and your boss will appreciate you even more. That's my opinion, anyway...
Brian |
This is completely true, especially in Korea. |
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SuperHero
Joined: 10 Dec 2003
Location: Superhero Hideout
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| Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 2:53 am Post subject: |
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| Universalis wrote: |
| Scott in HK wrote: |
| I have always thought it was what you did in the classroom, rather than the clothes you wore as you entered it that decided whether you would gain the respect of your students. Students respect teachers who can teach regardless of whether or not they wear a suit. If you can't teach, then no suit is going to gain you respect. |
Scott, wearing a suit is just icing on the cake for me. I enjoy my job, my home, and my current lifestyle here, and even though I don't have to wear a suit, I do so from time-to-time.
Don't get me wrong... if business casual is acceptable at your school and you're happy with that, stick with it. But I would recommend wearing a suit because as much as we hate to admit it, image matters (especially in Korea).
If you're a good teacher *and* a good dresser, your students and your boss will appreciate you even more. That's my opinion, anyway...
Brian |
Amen Brother |
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Daechidong Waygookin
Joined: 22 Nov 2004
Location: No Longer on Dave's. Ive quit.
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| Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 6:23 am Post subject: |
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| I like wearing suits and I also wear them when Im not working. I have several nice suits, I look good in them and I feel good in them. |
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TECO
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 7:35 am Post subject: |
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Before moving to Japan I never wore a suit.
Then, the schools I worked for gave us extra money when we renewed our contracts for wearing a suit - so I bought two.
They also helped establish credibility in job interviews.
Now, in Taiwan, not very many people wear suits as Taiwan is more of a shorts, T-shirt and sandals country.
One of the guys I work with started wearing a suit because he noticed I was wearing one to class.
Other teachers, I've been told wear shorts and Hawaiian style shirts to class when the weather warms up. |
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guangho
Joined: 19 Jan 2005
Location: a spot full of deception, stupidity, and public micturation and thus unfit for longterm residency
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| Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2005 7:13 am Post subject: |
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| Korea is perception-based. White? Good. Female? Better. Dressed up? Best. No way would I wear a suit at my haggie, but I did when I taught university in New York. |
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ajstew
Joined: 04 Feb 2004
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2005 10:34 pm Post subject: fashion question |
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| Perhaps someone here can help me with this. I thought about checking online, but if you know what tie (color/design) would go best with a white shirt with veritical red stripes, I'd appreciate your thoughts. I was thinking of wearing it with black pants. The stripes are 3cm in width and 5 cm are apart. My girlfriend thinks a solid yellow tie, but I have my doubts. Any better suggestions? Also with grey pants... what are the best shirt colors to wear, besides white? Thanks. |
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