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fox1
Joined: 05 Mar 2005
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Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2005 11:17 pm Post subject: Hi! This is my 'clueless' questions thread! :) |
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Hey guys.... the big first post. I have read a lot (FAQs and threads)... if you don't mind, can I chuck in a heap of questions about working in Korea and how to go about it. any opinions good or bad, short or not so short, any question, would be very cool. thanks a lot! (by the way, I'm 28, have 2 degrees, overseas teaching exp, like to work in a long-term position). i know probably plenty of these are dealt with in the FAQ threads, but I went thru them many times and I'm still a little confused...
Getting on a plane, heading to Korea and looking for work: is that a good idea?
If I do that, what is the visa deal? (by which I mean I would prefer to do things visa-wise as up-front as possible, and legal.)
If I, say, arrive in Busan, how is the market there? and the best way to get a job.
What is the best type of school to work in... public school, right? or maybe another type. I;'d like to hear your opinion.
April, May and so on: how is the market round this time. is it a disaster to arrive in April or not?
Also, concerning "employers paying your flight and maybe also accom": is that common or a good deal? or is it a better option to fly yourself?
I am from Australia. just wondering does that have any bearing negative or otherwise in terms of getting teaching job in Korea. guess i would be wise to ask that now...
How competitive is the job market in Korea?
OK and this kind of silly one: can you join public pools, ride bikes round in the cities and are there places (parks) to run?
Thank you very much! any old answers to any of those would be really appreciated  |
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Daechidong Waygookin

Joined: 22 Nov 2004 Location: No Longer on Dave's. Ive quit.
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Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2005 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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Getting on a plane, heading to Korea and looking for work: is that a good idea? |
Depends on you. Can you handle life in Asia ll by yourself? Can you adjust to a TOTALLY alien culture, to the language problems? For me it was a great choice, for others it wasnt.
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If I do that, what is the visa deal? (by which I mean I would prefer to do things visa-wise as up-front as possible, and legal.) |
Your employer will sponsor you for a visa. You will get a 1 year visa.
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If I, say, arrive in Busan, how is the market there? and the best way to get a job. |
Come to Busan, and start hitting the schools. Check out the board here, send out resumes. Many resumes. Line up some prospects and go visit them.
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What is the best type of school to work in... public school, right? or maybe another type. I;'d like to hear your opinion. |
Do you have an education degree? If not, forget public schools. You wont find one that will hire a total newbie and even if you do, taching 40 kids at a time wil be a disaster if you have no idea what you are doing. Find a hagwon job.
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April, May and so on: how is the market round this time. is it a disaster to arrive in April or not? |
Schools are always hiring.
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Also, concerning "employers paying your flight and maybe also accom": is that common or a good deal? or is it a better option to fly yourself? |
Schools normally pay for your flight. It may have changed now, I have no clue. You will get accomodation from your school. The quality of your housing will vary.
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I am from Australia. just wondering does that have any bearing negative or otherwise in terms of getting teaching job in Korea. guess i would be wise to ask that now... |
Its better to be a North American but you shouldnt have problems.
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How competitive is the job market in Korea? |
For hagwon jobs? Not very. For public school jobs? Depends on the quality of the gig. Uni jobs are very competitive and very picky.
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OK and this kind of silly one: can you join public pools, ride bikes round in the cities and are there places (parks) to run? |
No parks. There is total segragation. Foreigners must wear a patch on their shirt and are not allowed to socialize with Koreans outise their job. There is a 10 pm curfew. |
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Tiger Beer

Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2005 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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I always preferred coming to Korea without a job and looking. Its much much easier to get better jobs and you can see the location, your job, meet your potential employers, see your housing, etc., etc. (Most aren't so brave to come without a job though).
Regarding visa.. I usually get a tourist visa valid for 3 months.. if I have a few jobs prospects lined up first.. I'll just fly in without applying for a tourist visa.. which for Americans use to be 15 days.. (heard its extended to 30 days now). Not sure the deal with Australians though.
Market in Busan? Not sure.. easy in Seoul. www.pusanweb.com might be a good forum to consult though. They'd know the websites and such for that. Or look and try to line up places beforehand for potential employers.
When to come? If its an insititute, anytime before the beginning of a month is best. Like arriving on the 20th, as most want you to start on the 1st of the month. Not sure about middle schools and such.
Employers paying for flight. Many do that. I never have. I come to Korea and get the job. My last employer paid for my flight out of Korea at the end of my contract. I might have lost on this, but at least I like the location, employer, and apartment. |
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Saxiif

Joined: 15 May 2003 Location: Seongnam
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Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2005 3:31 am Post subject: |
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Getting on a plane, heading to Korea and looking for work: is that a good idea?
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It is if you know where to go (plenty of cheapo but quite nice Love Motels around and very cheap but not so nice yogwons) and have the cash reserves to live until you get your first paycheck. It can be a good idea to check out your living conditions ahead of time. The easiest place to look for jobs is in Seoul, but then in Seoul the job market is a bit tigher, so think about where in Korea you'd like to live.
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If I do that, what is the visa deal? (by which I mean I would prefer to do things visa-wise as up-front as possible, and legal.) |
After you get a job they'll give you a visa run to Japan.
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If I, say, arrive in Busan, how is the market there? and the best way to get a job.
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I got my two most recent jobs while in Korea (both in Seoul), I just spammed out my resume to recruiters and whoever else posted on job boards and told them when I was available for interviews. If you're less lazy than me you can wander around the neighborhoods that are thick with hagwons (not sure what those'd be in Busan, never been there).
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What is the best type of school to work in... public school, right? or maybe another type. I;'d like to hear your opinion. |
Depends. Public schools are less likely to *beep* you over, but EPIK (the main government program) is pretty flacky. A general rule of thumb is the bigger the hagwon the better (more likely to be professional and stable), don't pay attention to franchise name, franchise generally doesn't mean shit.
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April, May and so on: how is the market round this time. is it a disaster to arrive in April or not?
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Pretty average IIRC.
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Also, concerning "employers paying your flight and maybe also accom": is that common or a good deal? or is it a better option to fly yourself? |
Mandated by law and almost universal (I don't get housing because I'm a "consultant" on hourly pay but my kind of jobs are a real exception).
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I am from Australia. just wondering does that have any bearing negative or otherwise in terms of getting teaching job in Korea. guess i would be wise to ask that now... |
Many Koreans believe that Australians have substandard accents that will hinder their childrens' learning of English. North Americans are preferred. Wouldn't sweat it too much, but it might be a problem at some schools.
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How competitive is the job market in Korea? |
Compared to what? Its been getting tighter but its ridiculously easy to get a standard job outside of the biggest cities, if you want to live in central Seoul or don't want split shifts its a little harder but still not too bad. AFAIK Korea's one of the easier places outside of China.
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OK and this kind of silly one: can you join public pools, ride bikes round in the cities and are there places (parks) to run? |
pools often charge you by the visit, are insanely crowded and very very very shallow
you don't want to ride bikes in much of Korea. Korea is generally hilly and the sidewalks are crowded.
Theres a few parks, but they're not too big. |
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fox1
Joined: 05 Mar 2005
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Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2005 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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Saxiif wrote: |
It is if you know where to go (plenty of cheapo but quite nice Love Motels around and very cheap but not so nice yogwons) and have the cash reserves to live until you get your first paycheck. It can be a good idea to check out your living conditions ahead of time. The easiest place to look for jobs is in Seoul, but then in Seoul the job market is a bit tigher, so think about where in Korea you'd like to live.
After you get a job they'll give you a visa run to Japan.
I got my two most recent jobs while in Korea (both in Seoul), I just spammed out my resume to recruiters and whoever else posted on job boards and told them when I was available for interviews. If you're less lazy than me you can wander around the neighborhoods that are thick with hagwons (not sure what those'd be in Busan, never been there).
Depends. Public schools are less likely to *beep* you over, but EPIK (the main government program) is pretty flacky. A general rule of thumb is the bigger the hagwon the better (more likely to be professional and stable), don't pay attention to franchise name, franchise generally doesn't mean *beep*.
Pretty average IIRC.
Mandated by law and almost universal (I don't get housing because I'm a "consultant" on hourly pay but my kind of jobs are a real exception).
Many Koreans believe that Australians have substandard accents that will hinder their childrens' learning of English. North Americans are preferred. Wouldn't sweat it too much, but it might be a problem at some schools.
Compared to what? Its been getting tighter but its ridiculously easy to get a standard job outside of the biggest cities, if you want to live in central Seoul or don't want split shifts its a little harder but still not too bad. AFAIK Korea's one of the easier places outside of China.
pools often charge you by the visit, are insanely crowded and very very very shallow. you don't want to ride bikes in much of Korea. Korea is generally hilly and the sidewalks are crowded.
Theres a few parks, but they're not too big. |
awesome. thank you all very much. very cool help... and you guys are way more polite (i can say just generally..... ) than the Japan forum, where very simple straightforward comments would get the snob 'foreigner' treatment bigtime...! you guys in Korea, cool as! thanks.
I appreciate all that, and it helps. I am kinda looking forward to getting there and checking it out. I THINK i can deal with most stuff. I lived in China for a couple years. I know Korea has its own stuff, but ....OK. On language, I have enjoyed the challenges of that in the past.
The "housing mandated by law" thing: is that as in> teachers are supposed to live in certain assigned accomodation? How is your accom? can you move easily?
and one thing I'd like to just make sure: working in public schools; you really have to have an education degree?? i have tought 40 kids at a time
OK OK yeah I know the pools thing was a silly question! i said it was silly... but, it's good to know more about that anyway... and I'll remember about the patch and the curfew
also about the accent, thanks for the tip I have just about as clear English accent as there is. not at all posh for what it's worth. just M.O.R. australian, like Sports Tonight's Tim Webster for aussies here (who has a hint of American in the mix!). I used to be a journalist on radio. |
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peppermint

Joined: 13 May 2003 Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.
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Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2005 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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For public schools you don't need an education degree-anyone will do, because you still wouldn't be certified to teach in Korea anyway. The thing is, the school year here starts in March, so it might be difficult to find a public school gig when you arrive.
As for accomodations- there's no law saying where you can live or anything- just limited by what you can afford- if you don't want to live in school provided housing. Most of the time, the school will provide an apartment that's a little small but generally okay. |
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Daechidong Waygookin

Joined: 22 Nov 2004 Location: No Longer on Dave's. Ive quit.
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Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2005 3:06 am Post subject: |
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I wouldnt count on a public school job as a newbie if you dont have something awesome like an education degree. Unless yo8u go throuh Epik or Gepik, but then the conditions are no better than a haggie in many cases. |
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casey's moon
Joined: 14 Sep 2004 Location: Daejeon
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Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2005 3:26 am Post subject: |
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If you like bikes and parks and that sort of thing, consider Daejeon.
Although, I think Bundang would also be good for someone who likes to bike or jog on a regular basis and it is closer to Seoul -- if that is a consideration for you.
Parks aren't that small -- depends on where you are. Even when I lived in Seoul, there was a decent hike that started just a five minute walk from where I lived.
What I would do if I was you is look at the jobs posted here on Dave's, find something that sounds good, and then simultaneously apply and research the area. As parks are important to me too, I would also try to research the actual neighbourhood to find out how bicycle friendly it is, if it's near a river or a mountain -- that sort of thing.
I've never tried a Korean swimming pool. Sadly, there are basically no lakes that allow swimming in Korea, although some rivers are deep enough for swimming, and the ocean is never too far away on a peninsula of course!
If you're asking these questions now, you have a very good chance of finding a great situation -- hope it all works out for you! |
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just because

Joined: 01 Aug 2003 Location: Changwon - 4964
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Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 2:47 am Post subject: |
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daechidong waygookin wrote: |
I wouldnt count on a public school job as a newbie if you dont have something awesome like an education degree |
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha....
Something awesome like an education degree...get your head out of your rectum.
There is nothing wrong with having an education degree and I'm sure it helps with classroom strategies but here in Korea it means jack crap.
Everyone I know that teaches at public schools(which are 9 people) don't have an education degree.
And they don't work for EPIK, GEPIK.
Schools don't give two tosses, you are just a piece of fresh meat to them. |
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