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mithridates

Joined: 03 Mar 2003 Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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I happened to go to the only drug-free high school in Calgary (possibly Canada) which coincidentally had almost no punishment. We called the teachers by their first names, had a meeting in Friday instead of classes, and could work as slow or as fast as we wanted. It was a public school so we still took the same provincial tests as everybody else but the courses could be done in three months if you were quick or over twelve months if you needed it.
Everybody had an interview to get into that school done by one teacher and three students, and we all signed a drug contract to not be under the influence of any drugs or alcohol while at school.
If punishment needed to be done we had a system to do it to ourselves; if our homework was lagging behind us or another student would recommend we be put on a 'step' system where the homework is monitored and if it continually isn't done you go to step 2, then 3, then get kicked out. So there was a system of punishment but the teachers didn't take care of it.
The school was based on Summerhill in England started by A.S. Neill. |
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Daechidong Waygookin

Joined: 22 Nov 2004 Location: No Longer on Dave's. Ive quit.
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Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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More and more prisons are built to hold the violent criminals who grew up without any discipline at home. Thats the end of your argument. |
Wrong. More and more prisons are being built to hold nonviolent drug offenders. Despite some shocking recent incidents, violent crime has actually been on the decrease (at least in the US) for quite some time.
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| Why has there been a violence explosion in today's young generations? |
Because there hasn't been. It's been on the decrease over the past 10 years. However, media coverage of violent crimes committed by minorities and youth has been on the rise. |
The only reason for that is that the violent criminals are locked up so you have a "drop" in violent crime. The fact of the matter is that the generations under the age of 30 are a lost cause because they grew up without discipline at home. |
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mithridates

Joined: 03 Mar 2003 Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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How was the discipline in your household when you grew up, Daechidong super waygookin teacher?
Just curious because I know you're under 30. |
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Swiss James

Joined: 26 Nov 2003 Location: Shanghai
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Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Daechidong Waygookin wrote: |
The only reason for that is that the violent criminals are locked up so you have a "drop" in violent crime. The fact of the matter is that the generations under the age of 30 are a lost cause because they grew up without discipline at home. |
Hey Grandpa! You're 28 |
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Daechidong Waygookin

Joined: 22 Nov 2004 Location: No Longer on Dave's. Ive quit.
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Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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| mithridates wrote: |
How was the discipline in your household when you grew up, Daechidong super waygookin teacher?
Just curious because I know you're under 30. |
I never received physcal punishment because I was very wll behaved and I wasnt a troublemaker. |
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Grotto

Joined: 21 Mar 2004
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Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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| It is NOT a deterrent judging from the amount of prisoners in prisons |
Really I think that pretty much every criminal who has been put to death has never re-offended! So it does deter from repeat offences
Too many teens are growing up without realizing that there are consequences to their actions. They go through life getting away with everything with little or no consequences and then they end up in jail when reality sets in and they find out that stealing, pushing dope, vandalism or assault actually carry hefty penalties.
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| The majority of the time this is true; a drunken, cheating, wife beating, child beating man/husband will have a few of his sons and or daughters turn out the same way. |
And what does this have to do with the use of physical discipline? We are not talking about 'beating' someone! We are talking about physicall disciplining them. I think Singapore has it right. You mess up and you get X amounts of swats with a rattan cane. Interestingly enough Singapore has one of the lowest cases of repeat offenders in the world. They also use the death penalty, but unlike the USA they carry out the senteces in a timely fashion. You have people on death row in the USA that have been there for 20 years.....sorry man but throw a toaster in the bathtub already.
I know there is always the arguement that an innocent man may be killed. The other way to look at it is how many innocent people have been killed by someone that "served their time" for a violent crime.
No system is perfect. |
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crazylemongirl

Joined: 23 Mar 2003 Location: almost there...
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Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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If lack of physical punishment causes violent socities, then western europeans would be afraid to venture out of their houses. Most of these countries outlawed beating their kids 20 years ago and they seem to be going about life as usual sans beating their children.
There are otherways to enforce discpline with kids than hitting them. In more cases than not the kid is not being hit because they aren't control but rather that their parents aren't.
We don't allow people to hit their wives nor husbands in order to discpline them. Nor can we hit grandma once her mental age regresses to that of a child. For christ sakes in New Zealand dogs are slightly higher up the food chain from protection from physical punishment than children where you can beat them with belts, metal poles, and jug cords then use the justification of 'reasonable force' to get off if police happen to lay charges (which doesn't happen with much frequency).
I don't think that any place can claim to be civilized when it gives older people legal rights to inflict harm on the most vunlerable people in society. |
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kermo

Joined: 01 Sep 2004 Location: Eating eggs, with a comb, out of a shoe.
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Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Daechidong Waygookin wrote: |
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I agree. Kids need discipline and all the bleeding heart left wing psychologists can stick their 'its only teaching them that violence is acceptable' buloney up their butts.
20 smacks with a cane..a cane made of what? Oak..excessive. A rattan stick? Painful.
I think that if you brought back public floggings you would see a whole hell of a lot of petty larceny vanish in the wind.
What the hell is wrong with giving your kid some physical discipline for being truant? At 16 they know its not allowed, they know they shouldnt do it. Ground them...ooh what a punishment being kept in your house with a dvd player, xbox/ps2, computer, movies and whatever else.
The kid who got the whacks not only was truant but he lied to his parents, even after admitting he was wrong.
I just love that the supreme court has basically told Canada that you cant punish you teenagers.
The pendulum protecting the rights of the individual has swung way too far in Canada. |
Amen. Physical punishment has worked for ages. Never has there been a generation so disrespectful so vi0olent, so rotten as the current one. They need physical punishment. |
People in Socrates' day said precisely the same thing. |
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Grotto

Joined: 21 Mar 2004
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Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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Okay it may be that the fault lies with the parents. But why the hell should I have to put up with your snot nosed kids bullcrap because you didnt do your job?
You didnt teach him respect for others so he lips off to his teachers. So I have to put up with his crap because you are a lousy parent?
Talk to someone who has taught in England and the rudeness of the students there. Favorite quote"you cant fxxxing touch me you fxxxing fxxxer"
Yep cant discipline the little SOB and they know it. There is no reason for anyone(especially teachers) to put up with snot nosed foul mouthed little shytes because 'their parents failed'. Oh you cant kick them out because they have a 'right' to an education. You just have to put up with their rudeness day after day? No thanks! Bring back the rod, it might not be the best thing to do but it sure as hell will teach them that their are consequences to their actions! |
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