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thepeel
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Scott in HK
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: now in Incheon..haven't changed my name yet
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Koreabound2004...it is always nice to hear opinions from close minded people who think they know something but in essence don't know jack....
Who is paying 3x or 4x as much...not me...not anyone I know who did their course by distance...
Nothing logical...except for all things already mentioned...
There is no need for anyone to try and convince you...it is not a cult...those who took distance degrees did so after researching the schools making our own decisions...you don't want to get a distance degree..don't...do you really think anyone cares... |
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The Man known as The Man
Joined: 29 Mar 2003
Location: 3 cheers for Ted Haggard oh yeah!
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| Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 9:36 am Post subject: |
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If all these online schools are so great, you wouldn't feel the need to defend or justify them...if they are good, their rep should speak for itself......
And the reason they have so many students attending is due to the fact that they will admit anyone with a pulse and money....and there are a lot of folks out there with those things....
You can discuss it here till you are blue in the face, but you will never convince me of their value... |
Such laziness.
Your rep speaks for itself.
For those wanting a Masters in Education, Athabasca has a quality program-it's been recommended by someone in the flesh.
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Koreabound2004
Joined: 19 Nov 2003
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| Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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Having worked in the education sector in Canada, I am aware of what constitutes a quality education, and what does not.
Frankly, I have never heard of any of the institutions mentioned on here, with the exception of Athabasca.....
AND...the only reason I know of Athabasca is due to the fact that I once had to help a student who was not admissible to any university in Canada...(she was a very poor student, and had been expelled from a reputable university, however, she(her parents) did have lots of money)....so we recommended that she apply to Athabasca....
Of course, she really didn't want to go there(realizing it was a step down), but it was the only "university" that would admit her. And knowing that they have an "open" admissions policy, she was obviously accepted. After studying with them for a year, she attempted to transfer back to a credible university in Canada, and they laughed at her....
So I do speak from experience, and I would say to all of you contemplating whether or not you should go this way, think again, and research your options.
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Scott in HK
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: now in Incheon..haven't changed my name yet
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Koreabound2004...you use one student to back up your point about one university...very compelling...
You admit to not even knowing the other schools mentioned in this thread...so you admit to commenting on things you know nothing about...doesn't really add strength to your position...
I can speak from my experience...and the 30-40 educators that I took my course with....we were all experienced teachers...all working...most with families...all taking our degrees to learn more about our chosen field...that is education...
I could have easily gotten into a masters program back home in Canada...based on my grades and my experience...I couldn't due to family reasons...I chose to a distance program because it met my needs...as do many people... |
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Koreabound2004
Joined: 19 Nov 2003
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| Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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If all these online schools are so great, you wouldn't feel the need to defend or justify them...if they are good, their rep should speak for itself......
And the reason they have so many students attending is due to the fact that they will admit anyone with a pulse and money....and there are a lot of folks out there with those things....
You can discuss it here till you are blue in the face, but you will never convince me of their value... |
Shall I repeat myself? Keep on justifying. It's fun!  |
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Whitey
Joined: 22 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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Try Excelsior College, www.excelsior.edu . They are affiliated with the University of the State of New York. They used be known as Regent's College External Degree Program. They are as accredited as ANY university in the US. They have very flexible degree plans, but every credit must be earned in an accredited university or through exams recognized by the ACE. It is affordable and has graduated thousands of students since 1971. If you are from New York, they are the makers of the Regents exams that every high school student takes. You could prolly take the exams needed to complete your degree at a US base nearby.
Ft. Hays State University in Kansas likewise offers degree programs that can be completed totally online. It is affordable and you can even get US government financial aid to complete it. |
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The Man known as The Man
Joined: 29 Mar 2003
Location: 3 cheers for Ted Haggard oh yeah!
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| Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 10:42 am Post subject: |
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Having worked in the education sector in Canada, I am aware of what constitutes a quality education, and what does not.
Frankly, I have never heard of any of the institutions mentioned on here, with the exception of Athabasca.....
AND...the only reason I know of Athabasca is due to the fact that I once had to help a student who was not admissible to any university in Canada...(she was a very poor student, and had been expelled from a reputable university, however, she(her parents) did have lots of money)....so we recommended that she apply to Athabasca....
Of course, she really didn't want to go there(realizing it was a step down), but it was the only "university" that would admit her. And knowing that they have an "open" admissions policy, she was obviously accepted. After studying with them for a year, she attempted to transfer back to a credible university in Canada, and they laughed at her....
So I do speak from experience, and I would say to all of you contemplating whether or not you should go this way, think again, and research your options.
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No, you've never worked in any capacity in education whatsoever.
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Ryst Helmut
Joined: 26 Apr 2003
Location: In search of the elusive signature...
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As usual, I start reading from the last page...decided to go back to the first. So, the original post was about a BA?
Ok, distance degree for MA programs are a very grey issue, but since MAs are condensed/specific programs...they could be pulled off.
However, a BA? Just go back and finish it on campus. I can not imagine there is any respect for a distance BA out there. Seriously. What if you decide to go for an MA/MS later? Would they even accept your BA?
But on to a slightly high-jacked thread...
If you haven't yet, please check these threads.
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=20641
My opinion (from the Benefits of an MA TESOL) haven't changed...that is, distance programs based on worth.
In short, I've done 1/2 my MA on-line (different state univ. than one that I am currently enrolled at ...on campus) and it is DEFINITELY night and day.
If you read what I've said what other Korean professors think of (and my US professors agree as well) distance degrees, you'll see why I have hesitations offering that possibility for anyone.
I'll be starting my doctoral work soon enough (too soon...I want a breather!) and do anticipate heading back to Korea to teach at uni. I really am not sure how I'll accept distance degrees (I've been told that I could head programs that hire/fire English instructors at university). I'd wager I'll follow suit with my professors and/or colleagues.
Yes, we've families to support. Yes, we've bills to pay. Yes, yes yes....didn't all the others who went overseas or back home to study?
I firmly believe that had I completed my MA online, I would have taken the easy way out.
Yes, this may be close-minded, but I hope to hear of some sound reasons to refute my (others') beliefs.
Yes, this thinking may not be the sign of the times...but how many of these new thinkers are holding office? How many professors retire (in the English departments...or one that influences our status) every year? How long would it take to usher in these "new thinkers?"
Then again...it looks like I've spent all this money on a degree that will not be utilised....gonna start working for the DHS. Atleast, money and security won't be an issue....
!shoosh
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ThePoet
Joined: 15 May 2004
Location: No longer in Korea - just lurking here
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| Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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As usual, I start reading from the last page...decided to go back to the first. So, the original post was about a BA?
Ok, distance degree for MA programs are a very grey issue, but since MAs are condensed/specific programs...they could be pulled off.
However, a BA? Just go back and finish it on campus. I can not imagine there is any respect for a distance BA out there. Seriously. What if you decide to go for an MA/MS later? Would they even accept your BA?
But on to a slightly high-jacked thread...
If you haven't yet, please check these threads.
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=20641
My opinion (from the Benefits of an MA TESOL) haven't changed...that is, distance programs based on worth.
In short, I've done 1/2 my MA on-line (different state univ. than one that I am currently enrolled at ...on campus) and it is DEFINITELY night and day.
If you read what I've said what other Korean professors think of (and my US professors agree as well) distance degrees, you'll see why I have hesitations offering that possibility for anyone.
I'll be starting my doctoral work soon enough (too soon...I want a breather!) and do anticipate heading back to Korea to teach at uni. I really am not sure how I'll accept distance degrees (I've been told that I could head programs that hire/fire English instructors at university). I'd wager I'll follow suit with my professors and/or colleagues.
Yes, we've families to support. Yes, we've bills to pay. Yes, yes yes....didn't all the others who went overseas or back home to study?
I firmly believe that had I completed my MA online, I would have taken the easy way out.
Yes, this may be close-minded, but I hope to hear of some sound reasons to refute my (others') beliefs.
Yes, this thinking may not be the sign of the times...but how many of these new thinkers are holding office? How many professors retire (in the English departments...or one that influences our status) every year? How long would it take to usher in these "new thinkers?"
Then again...it looks like I've spent all this money on a degree that will not be utilised....gonna start working for the DHS. Atleast, money and security won't be an issue....
!shoosh
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Hi Ryst,
Although I do value your opinions, I also keep thinking that you must travel in circles that are closed off to the new possibilities/outcomes of education in the 21st century. While I agree that there are still many people who don't "trust" online or distance degrees anecdotally, there have also been study after study that have shown the effectiveness and value of distance programs (Bates, A.W. - UBC, Daniel, J - OUUK, King, B - Melbourne, and many, many more).
Unfortunately, the big problem today, in the infancy of the Internet (Remember, its only been around commercially for 13 years), is that for every real, true, and legitimate university who have dipped their foot in the pool, there are 100 that decided it was going to be great to make some money off of suckers that wanted a quick and easy solution to their careers...I think everyone remembers those late night commercials that started with "Do you want to make more money? Of course, we all do." from Sally Struthers. And today it is just as easy to bilk a person who is lazy and wants to have everything handed to them.
However, there are more and more universities that are legitimate that are starting to realize the potential of distance learning. The major problems are/have been 1.platform and software, 2. security, 3. cost effectiveness, and 4. expertise. Each of these have been overcome in various ways and now the universities that are offering distance programs, either in whole or in part, are becoming more confident about their legitimacy and effectiveness.
This has been shown in satisfaction surveys and excellence awards (for as much as KoreaBound has one anecdotal problem with AU, they've been ranked as having on of the top EMBA programs in the world - usually in the top 25, by independent sources, and they have had one of the oldest, largest and most renowned MDE programs). Now even schools such as M.I.T. and Harvard are determining their use of distance learning, and Pepperdine has made some huge strides to offering mirrored (on-campus and on-line)courses up to the Ph.D. level, although, why anyone wouldn't want to study next to the beaches of Malibu when getting a degree from Pepperdine is beyond me.
You mention that "Yes, we've families to support. Yes, we've bills to pay. Yes, yes yes....didn't all the others who went overseas or back home to study?" and yet, many MA's are completed by people who take their degree right after their BA and don't yet have families to support or as many bills to pay front end. I can tell you that I was someone with a family to suport, and I would still have been wishing for my Masters if it wasn't for a distance program.
It all boils down to laziness. Many people do not want to research the various programs that are available (case in point - KoreaBound with his "I have an opinion and you can't change it" while at the same time admitting he/she knows nothing about many of the universities that offer such programs). Many who want quick fixes, get just that. But those who want a real degre becomes aware of what is available, and how legitimate it is. It is also laziness on the part of the professors and administrators who don't research the benefits, or the programs, and then say they have hesitation about recommending such programs.
I'm not trying to flame anyone here, nor am I trying to cause arguments, but I do think its important that people realize the importance of this topic. I'd like to offer you a little light reading about this subject written by Terry Anderson, who is the Canadian Research Chair for Higher Education:
http://cde.athabascau.ca/online_book/
Enjoy, and I'll get off my soapbox once again...
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Koreabound2004
Joined: 19 Nov 2003
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| Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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As usual, I start reading from the last page...decided to go back to the first. So, the original post was about a BA?
Ok, distance degree for MA programs are a very grey issue, but since MAs are condensed/specific programs...they could be pulled off.
However, a BA? Just go back and finish it on campus. I can not imagine there is any respect for a distance BA out there. Seriously. What if you decide to go for an MA/MS later? Would they even accept your BA?
But on to a slightly high-jacked thread...
If you haven't yet, please check these threads.
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=20641
My opinion (from the Benefits of an MA TESOL) haven't changed...that is, distance programs based on worth.
In short, I've done 1/2 my MA on-line (different state univ. than one that I am currently enrolled at ...on campus) and it is DEFINITELY night and day.
If you read what I've said what other Korean professors think of (and my US professors agree as well) distance degrees, you'll see why I have hesitations offering that possibility for anyone.
I'll be starting my doctoral work soon enough (too soon...I want a breather!) and do anticipate heading back to Korea to teach at uni. I really am not sure how I'll accept distance degrees (I've been told that I could head programs that hire/fire English instructors at university). I'd wager I'll follow suit with my professors and/or colleagues.
Yes, we've families to support. Yes, we've bills to pay. Yes, yes yes....didn't all the others who went overseas or back home to study?
I firmly believe that had I completed my MA online, I would have taken the easy way out.
Yes, this may be close-minded, but I hope to hear of some sound reasons to refute my (others') beliefs.
Yes, this thinking may not be the sign of the times...but how many of these new thinkers are holding office? How many professors retire (in the English departments...or one that influences our status) every year? How long would it take to usher in these "new thinkers?"
Then again...it looks like I've spent all this money on a degree that will not be utilised....gonna start working for the DHS. Atleast, money and security won't be an issue....
!shoosh
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Well said....  |
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Tiberious aka Sparkles
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: I'm one cool cat!
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| Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 8:13 am Post subject: |
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I received a BA in Eng Lit from a prestigious Canadian university (and, no, that isn't an oxymoron, smartass).
I received my MA in Street Smartz from the university of Punks Jump Up to get Beat Down.
Sparkles*_* |
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The Man known as The Man
Joined: 29 Mar 2003
Location: 3 cheers for Ted Haggard oh yeah!
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| Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 9:33 am Post subject: |
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| Tiberious aka Sparkles wrote: |
I received a BA in Eng Lit from a prestigious Canadian university (and, no, that isn't an oxymoron, smartass).
I received my MA in Street Smartz from the university of Punks Jump Up to get Beat Down.
Sparkles*_* |
Algoma University College is very proud.
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Tiberious aka Sparkles
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: I'm one cool cat!
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| Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 9:40 am Post subject: |
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| I think everyone remembers those late night commercials that started with "Do you want to make more money? Of course, we all do." from Sally Struthers... |
Sally Struthers? Meat Head's girlfriend? The woman who convinced me to help aid starving children in Whatever The Name Of That Poor African Country With All The Flies Swarming Around Those Ugly Kids With Pot Bellies?
Please say it ain't so.
I thought she was a tattoo artist in Guam.
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ThePoet
Joined: 15 May 2004
Location: No longer in Korea - just lurking here
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| Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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She was doing commercials for the Christian Relief fund (or something like that) but she was also the shill in late night commercials for ICS (International Correspondence School) where you could get a diploma in anything from Accounting to Zookeeping. I actually got a diploma from them in TV/VCR repair so that I could understand the basics better for an electronics module I was making for my electronics students.
I believe they have since changed their name at least twice to avoid prosecution of various kinds.
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