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plato's republic



Joined: 07 Dec 2004
Location: Ancient Greece

PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 11:26 am    Post subject: Kids Club Reply with quote

Does anyone work for a Kids Club franchise school? What's your experience been like? Generally positive or hell on earth...?
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Saxiif



Joined: 15 May 2003
Location: Seongnam

PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was hell.

But generally a franchise name means nothing, I can't think of a single instance where being a "Kid's Club" actually affected the way anything was run in my old school. So unless its Jeungpyong Kid's Club (run like hell), its hard to tell...
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pocariboy73



Joined: 23 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I too worked at a Kids Club. It was in Bundang, and let me tell you, it was terrible. Never have I been treated so badly as my experience with that bunch. The foreigners were fine, but the Koreans who managed it (particularily at the top level) were CRUDE, MALICIOUS, DISRESPECTFUL, and $$$$ hungry.

All the foreigners, with the exception of a few, didn't even consider resigning after our first year. We were all glad to leave there. Many of us still suffer from the feelings of paranoia as we never knew what exactly our sneaky bosses were up to.

I advise anyone considering work at the KIDS CLUB in Gumi Dong, Bundang, to speak privately with some of the foreigners before signing there. Don't believe the Korean bosses at that location. Unless, that is of course, the bosses have changed.
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chronicpride



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 7:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Kids Club Reply with quote

plato's republic wrote:
Does anyone work for a Kids Club franchise school? What's your experience been like? Generally positive or hell on earth...?
Shocked


Here are some past threads on them:
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=7241
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=3090
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=18046
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=15073

There are 33 Kids Clubs in Korea, with hundreds of teachers who have worked for them over the years, but there is only marginal representation on here of teachers experiences. No news or little news can be a good thing or a bad thing. Therefore, I would not form any concrete opinions on them from solely reading this site. You'll need to get on the horn with the current and past teachers of the specific school that you are researching.
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plato's republic



Joined: 07 Dec 2004
Location: Ancient Greece

PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So let me get this straight, even if it's a franchise Kids Club school everything is still controlled from head office, right?
In that case, i guess it depends on the school owner/director and staff members who make the difference.
I accepted a job at a new school so i've no idea what it's going to be like...hmm...food for thought.
I'm slightly worried now.... Sad
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Saxiif



Joined: 15 May 2003
Location: Seongnam

PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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In that case, i guess it depends on the school owner/director and staff members who make the difference.

Exactly.
How many foreign teachers are there in the school? More is usually a sign of financial stability and a good thing. How good is your new boss's English, if its good that's usualy a good sign...
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pauline



Joined: 07 Mar 2005
Location: Incheon, Korea

PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I worked at a Kids Club in Inchoen for two years. The first 18 months were good, but it was a six-day working week. Hours, 9 to 6, Mon to Fri with a three hour break after morning class and 10 to 3 every Sat if you're unfortunate enough to get a mother's class.

The last six months were terrible because a foriegn monchon got himself promoted(though bribery) to academic coordinator, concoted a bunch of ridiculous rules and tried to push us around, and the boss didn't give a damm. The days dropped to five days a week, but you had to work from 9 to 7.30 every Tues and Thurs. Moreover, you'll have to give concerts for the parents twice a year. The curriculm isn't great. Do your homework. Ask the teachers who have been there longer. Things can change from good to foul in a matter of weeks.

I've discovered that if you kowtow, you might not get screwed. If you don't take crap, you'll get screwed. These people are NOT professional.
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plato's republic



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 9:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the advice!

The one I signed with is a new branch and there will be only two foreign teachers there. It's also in Incheon.

Here goes nothing...
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teachingld2004



Joined: 29 Mar 2004

PostPosted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 3:47 pm    Post subject: kids club Reply with quote

Hey Plato, dont start to worry. Make the best of it. The worst thing that could happen is for u to leave. If thisis your first job, don't worry. Scope out the area. Make some friends. Travel. You will be fine. Start out positive. Be the best you can, just don't be a push over. Some jobs are great, some are good, some are OK some are bad, and some suck.
If the job turns out to be OK, you are a winner. (well, sort of).
Just be carefull...the more you give, the more is expected. usually). There may be rewrds, but do not come here thinking bad things.
If you need any help, some of us are here to help you. If you need to vent, just ask me.
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buymybook



Joined: 21 Feb 2005
Location: Telluride

PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 3:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

plato's republic wrote:
Thanks for the advice!

The one I signed with is a new branch and there will be only two foreign teachers there. It's also in Incheon.

Here goes nothing...


The following is what a Korean shared with me about Korean people. The reason the conversation arose is due to my wanting an explanation to why I have been treated the way that I have. And, last night I heard from another Korean that many of "these kind"(read bellow) of people live in the Incheon area. If they live there then they probably also own/operate Hakwons.

"These kind" are from the southwestern areas of South Korea. They look and sound(dialect) different than other Korean people. Generally speaking the South Korean people of the southwest are/were treated in a similiar way(discriminated against by fellow citizens) as the African American people were treated in America years ago. Apparently, times have changed over the last 10 years or so and the southwestern people have gained power. Some Korean parents not from the southwest tell their children to stay away from "those kind" of Korean children. Those kind of Korean people band together and there is an obvious distinction between those from the southwest and those who are not. I won't get into the polital aspects or differences, only to say the current President Roh is from that area and the URI party don't really like America. Whereas the Grand National Party may have more support from/for America. Somewhere I heard that the Uri party has ties to condoning N. Korean spies. Many Korean people hate each other from one side of the mountain to the other. So don't be surprised they hate waygooks. I often get asked the question "where are you from?" I now have a map of Korea I carry with me and I immediately pull it out and ask where they are from including there grandparents. Sometimes Korean people may not like me asking where they or their grandparents are from. Anyway, I think my past Wonjang is from the Southwest and I hope to work for a different kind of person if I can even find a job. Be careful of Incheon, and good luck!
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pocariboy73



Joined: 23 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see from the "Korean Jobs Posting Board" that KIDS CLUB in Bundang (Gumi Dong) is hiring again. I advise anyone interested in applying there to PM me for accurate details of the real situation. I can provide you with emails of other teachers who have worked there. The wanjang in charge is still there even after a mass purging of past teachers and several others who quit or decided not to resign in absolute disgust of her business tactics/ethics. Believe me, she is a real devil Twisted Evil
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Summer Wine



Joined: 20 Mar 2005
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I work for a Kids Club school. I find it good, but that probably has more to do with the Owners. I have longer holidays here than I have had at other schools. I have shorter classes and things are good. But again that has to do with the Bosses.

Its hit or miss if you get a good school. But I find this one good, no more problems that I have had at other schools, and most of those I shrug off now its not my first year and I am more sure of what to expect. Or what not to expect.
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Saxiif



Joined: 15 May 2003
Location: Seongnam

PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Those kind of Korean people band together and there is an obvious distinction between those from the southwest and those who are not.


Well the people in the SW are often hicks but they're great people. When I visit my fiance's grandmother, who lives waaaaaaay waaaaaay out in the boonies of SW Korea I always get treated like gold.
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Hagwon Muppet



Joined: 18 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 4:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Kids Club Reply with quote

plato's republic wrote:
Does anyone work for a Kids Club franchise school? What's your experience been like? Generally positive or hell on earth...?
Shocked


As everyone has said, the franchise name means nothing since they are basically only supplying the name and some materials. What matters is the people who run the school.

I worked for a Kids Club in Kangnam and it was a mixed experience. When I started the place was in chaos and the foreigners and Koreans were at war.

Then we got a new boss who was good as gold. Pretty well-educated, experience of working with Westerners and totally professional. The ass-monkey foreign teachers left and it was cool for a few months.

Then we got ANOTHER new boss and she was the typical hagwon owner. Out of her depth, no experience in dealing with foreign teachers, poor management skills, etc etc. Turned into disaster and they eventually f'ed me over when i left.

None of this was Kids Club specific though.

Only things to bear in mind with Kids Club is that you'll probably be doing kindy in the mornings. Do you want to do that?

Also the materials they used were kinda sparse and you will probably need to spend some time thinking and planning your lessons and creating things to use if you want to do the job properly.
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hari seldon



Joined: 05 Dec 2004
Location: Incheon

PostPosted: Sat Apr 30, 2005 3:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Speaking of Kid's Club...
I work at one in Incheon. I've been there for seven months and I know that the teacher I replaced was treated fairly at the end of his contract. Relatively speaking, I'd say it's a decent place to work. How the franchises are run really varies depending on the franchise owners. Here there aren't alot of silly rules and they don't micromanage how you teach.
Paperwork is limited to monthly student evaluations. You don't have to do lesson plans. The couple that own the school treat the foreign teachers in a respectful manner. On the other hand, it's not unusual to get your pay a week late because it's a small school dependent on tuition payments and the owners don't have deep pockets.

We just lost a teacher on Friday. PM me if you're looking for work.
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