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| Have you personally experienced mostly negative attention from random Koreans or mostly positive? (Random Koreans meaning Koreans met in the street, the mall, the coffee shop, not Koreans met in the hakwon, or other institutions used to foreigners.) |
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| No, mostly positive. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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Overwhelmingly positive.
Only a couple of minor negative experiences (related to this topic) |
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eamo

Joined: 08 Mar 2003 Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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I get mostly positive treatment in Korea.
I do have an issue, race-wise, with many Koreans inability to see past the fact that I'm a foreigner and just behave with me naturally. I'm constantly viewed as a novelty. It does get tiresome. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003 Location: England
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Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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If you are getting discriminated against just say this.
Cha-Byeol-hae-Yo?????? - basically means are you discrimating????
That should get their attention a little... |
Better to say ���߹�������.(literally - throw away your prejudice) It is more natural. |
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chiaa
Joined: 23 Aug 2003
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Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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I was reminded today from a friend of two more instances (I have a bad memory).
The first one was in a bar. I was sitting there minding my own business and this guy asked me if he could buy me a drink. Of course I said sure. With that he says "but you better learn to respect Korean women". Now, the entire night I have been sitting there minding my own business talking to this fat guy actually. Never even talked to a woman. Things turned ugly.
A friend and I were at a bar and he was talking to a woman. She had to leave so we walked her up the stairs towards the exit. As goodbyes were being said at the front door, these two Korean guys did not like that fact that he was getting her phone number (they didn't see me half way down the flight of stairs watching). Things turned ugly. |
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jinglejangle

Joined: 19 Feb 2005 Location: Far far far away.
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Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 7:57 am Post subject: |
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| The first one was in a bar. I was sitting there minding my own business and this guy asked me if he could buy me a drink. Of course I said sure. With that he says "but you better learn to respect Korean women". Now, the entire night I have been sitting there minding my own business talking to this fat guy actually. Never even talked to a woman. Things turned ugly. |
Well, man, if you're calling her a "fat guy" maybe you do need to respect Korean women.
Well, anyway,
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I think a lot of that has to do with living in a culture that is completely different from the one we were brought up in. After five years in Korea I could count the number of racially motivated incidents on one hand, i.e., very few. And I had good things happen to me almost daily--more than enough to take the "systemic racism against whitey" tales with more than a bit of incredulity. But I knew I'd always be an outsider in Korea, and it was a consideration in deciding not to stay in Korea forever--not the only reason, but one of them. I'll never be Korean no matter how much I appreciate the country and culture.
People can become uncomfortable with a place without the discomfort coming directly from racism. Different traditions, different expectations, manners and customs we don't agree with--it's all there. Foreigners mix mostly with foreigners in Korea because that's what we are comfortable with. Most people take the path of least resistance. I applaud those who really immerse themselves in Korean language and culture--I'm sure they reap great social benefits from it. |
You're Canadian right? I don't think it's surprising that US and Canadian Americans would have a problem with not being accepted. All things considered, we're some of the most accepting places of foreigners in the world. Not that certain Americans aren't as hatefully racist as anyone else. (Note, I'm not mentioning Aus, UK, or NZ simply because I don't know. Don't get all butt sore.)
Anyway, I sympathize. I'm making plans to stay here long term once my contract's up, but if I didn't have an real good reason, I don't know whether I'd want to. |
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Roch
Joined: 24 Apr 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 8:59 am Post subject: Racist Deals... |
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| I have bought books from him and he is, I can tell, a good-natured guy who was picked on for being white. That's all there is to it... |
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Bozo Yoroshiku

Joined: 23 Feb 2005 Location: Outside ???'s house with a pair of binoculars
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Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 4:20 pm Post subject: Re: Have you experienced much racism from Koreans? |
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It's been overwhelmingly positive in my experience. Course, being here long term, it's inevitable to encounter a bit of negativity:
Maybe 3-4 times I've had totally sloshed ajosshis take a swing at me as they walked by me on the sidewalk (they didn't come close to landing a punch, and they were so hammered they were practically falling all over themselves).... countered of course by the 2-3 totally sloshed ajossis who have tried to hug and kiss me.
Then there's the few times I've been told "Yankee go home". They hate it when I reply in Japanese. "I'm not Japanese!" "Yeah, well I'm not a Yankee."
No one's had the balls to say anything directly to me whenever I've been with my girlfriend, just angry stares and mumbled whispers to their buddy.
There was one guy who decided to yell at me in English, but I didn't attribute it to my being a white devil; he was angry that I was a guy who wore an earring. ("Do you think you are a woman?!?")
OH!... and the jeans salesman in Tongdaemun who tried selling me jeans that were 2 sizes too big because I "have a fat ass" (I'm 65kg soaking wet and scarecrow thin)
All in all, though, a pretty uneventful 9 years.
--Boz |
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paperbag princess

Joined: 07 Mar 2004 Location: veggie hell
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Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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| ironically the most racist person i've encountered in korea was my first boss. he's say things like "i don't like foreigners because you are all racist. when i lived in chicago people treated me badly..." so on and so forth. the only reason i think he bought an english hagwon was to take revenge on foreigners. |
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butter808fly

Joined: 09 May 2004 Location: Northern California, USA
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Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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Sometimes I think they are being racist, but its just their culture of things that I consider rude... like cutting in line in front of me, running into me when there is plenty of room on the sidewalk (though maybe this stems from hate), or staring at me nonstop the whole time I walk past them. Unbelievable how uncivilized some of the behavior is here. I have to remember though, that my country isnt perfect either (as I was so reminded as I stood on the subway today and some young Korean guy was giving a mini speel about 'megook' and 'iraq').
I have experienced racism though like the rude bumping into me when there is plenty of room to walk down the sidewalk and being helped in a conveience store... where I was in line first, but I was ignored and a Korean was helped instead of me. Also, one time some Korean pretty much spit on me and another some Korean men stood behind me sucking on their snot and spit for a few mintues.. giving me the feeling they were going to spit on me.... when I left, they snickered... giving me the impression that it was intentional.
Sometimes when I get all irritated by the way their behavior is so unlike my own.. some Korean seems to be ultra kind to me and I remember that there are rude, racist people in every country. I cant judge their conduct on a few rude individuals. |
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Reena
Joined: 16 Nov 2004 Location: Ilsan
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Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 6:18 am Post subject: |
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| I'm east-indian, so though I was born and raised in Canada, I have experienced some racism from Koreans who are surprised when I tell them I teach english here (they think I'm one of the pakistani workers here) , also there have been some times when I'm with caucasian friends who are asked to do privates and if they volunteer me for it, they say No. Besides that, not much, many more positive experiences than bad ones. |
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jinglejangle

Joined: 19 Feb 2005 Location: Far far far away.
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Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 8:02 am Post subject: Re: Racist Deals... |
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| I have bought books from him and he is, I can tell, a good-natured guy who was picked on for being white. That's all there is to it... |
Who? |
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travellingwilly
Joined: 19 Jun 2003
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Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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chiaa
Joined: 23 Aug 2003
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Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 7:02 pm Post subject: Re: Racist Deals... |
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| I have bought books from him and he is, I can tell, a good-natured guy who was picked on for being white. That's all there is to it... |
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Me!
The fat person was not a woman, he is a man. I didnt call him fat. We were just having a good natured chat all by ourselves. The funny thing is when I clocked the guy for pulling that crap on me I got jumped by some guy out of left field that had nothing to do with anyone. The good thing is that it was an up scale foreigner bar in Hannam and I threatened to the management that I would let every foreigner in the area know how foreigners are treated in this bar. That got all of them kicked out that night and not me  |
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jinglejangle

Joined: 19 Feb 2005 Location: Far far far away.
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Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 5:30 am Post subject: Re: Racist Deals... |
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| chiaa wrote: |
| jinglejangle wrote: |
| Roch wrote: |
| I have bought books from him and he is, I can tell, a good-natured guy who was picked on for being white. That's all there is to it... |
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Me!
The fat person was not a woman, he is a man. I didnt call him fat. We were just having a good natured chat all by ourselves. The funny thing is when I clocked the guy for pulling that crap on me I got jumped by some guy out of left field that had nothing to do with anyone. The good thing is that it was an up scale foreigner bar in Hannam and I threatened to the management that I would let every foreigner in the area know how foreigners are treated in this bar. That got all of them kicked out that night and not me  |
That's great, but I would strongly advise most folks not to take their chances. And to stay away from the bar for a bit afterwards if they do. |
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shakuhachi

Joined: 08 Feb 2003 Location: Sydney
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Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 5:43 am Post subject: |
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| chiaa, I and I am sure many others would like to hear the details of your story. |
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