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[mercury]

http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/200503/kt2005032116253612810.htm



I would have loved to have seen the recruiter trying to explain this to the poor students.........

MR.Kim: I have job for you.

Exchange student: Yes..............

MR.Kim Write in your language 'Dokto belong to Korea'

Exchange student: Uh..........okay...........

[Blind Willie]

Where is what I was assuming to be your complaint about Korean logic, and how does it fit in with this article?

[shakuhachi]

Thats terrible, and obviously forced. It reminds me of DPRK propaganda.

[Blind Willie]

yes, obviously.

Could you point out the gun barrels pointed at their heads for me? My eyes arent what they used to be.

[shakuhachi]

[dogbert]

[shakuhachi]

[indiercj]

Aren't these people students from a Korean Language Courses? As far as I know that similar to long term hakwon programs in campus. They are not following any degree programs. They are not obligated to do anything. Media propagnada? yes. Forced act? hell, no.

[Tiberious aka Sparkles]

That girl with the Heidi pigtails is hotter than all get out.

Sparkles*_*

[On the other hand]

[mercury]

blind Willie (wake up, please)

Now, look at the photo..........okay..............what is the group doing?


Okay, now............who do you think "thought of this idea"? Do you think these students were just walking along one afternoon, and then all of the sudden they all said "hey, let's write in each of our languages, that Korea owns that little island.........and then let us take a photo.......and then they just might publish it!"

Okay, now look at the dark haired guy in the very back, the one trying to hide............

well, what do you think? And what do you think was the "logic" behind this great idea? Why not go over different fallacies of Logic, and try to find an answer, I will even help you out a little.........



The Appeal to Popularity has the following form:


Most people approve of X (have favorable emotions towards X).
Therefore X is true.
The basic idea is that a claim is accepted as being true simply because most people are favorably inclined towards the claim. More formally, the fact that most people have favorable emotions associated with the claim is substituted in place of actual evidence for the claim. A person falls prey to this fallacy if he accepts a claim as being true simply because most other people approve of the claim.

It is clearly fallacious to accept the approval of the majority as evidence for a claim. For example, suppose that a skilled speaker managed to get most people to absolutely love the claim that 1+1=3. It would still not be rational to accept this claim simply because most people approved of it. After all, mere approval is no substitute for a mathematical proof. At one time people approved of claims such as "the world is flat", "humans cannot survive at speeds greater than 25 miles per hour", "the sun revolves around the earth" but all these claims turned out to be false.

This sort of "reasoning" is quite common and can be quite an effective persusasive device. Since most humans tend to conform with the views of the majority, convincing a person that the majority approves of a claim is often an effective way to get him to accept it. Advertisers often use this tactic when they attempt to sell products by claiming that everyone uses and loves their products. In such cases they hope that people will accept the (purported) approval of others as a good reason to buy the product.

This fallacy is vaguely similar to such fallacies as Appeal to Belief and Appeal to Common Practice. However, in the case of an Ad Populum the appeal is to the fact that most people approve of a claim. In the case of an Appeal to Belief, the appeal is to the fact that most people believe a claim. In the case of an Appeal to Common Practice, the appeal is to the fact that many people take the action in question.

This fallacy is closely related to the Appeal to Emotion fallacy, as discussed in the entry for that fallacy.

Examples of Appeal to Popularity

"My fellow Americans...there has been some talk that the government is overstepping its bounds by allowing police to enter peoples' homes without the warrants traditionally required by the Constitution. However, these are dangerous times and dangerous times require appropriate actions. I have in my office thousands of letters from people who let me know, in no uncertain terms, that they heartily endorse the war against crime in these United States. Because of this overwhelming approval, it is evident that the police are doing the right thing."

"I read the other day that most people really like the new gun control laws. I was sort of suspicious of them, but I guess if most people like them, then they must be okay."

Jill and Jane have some concerns that the rules their sorority has set are racist in character. Since Jill is a decent person, she brings her concerns up in the next meeting. The president of the sorority assures her that there is nothing wrong with the rules, since the majority of the sisters like them. Jane accepts this ruling but Jill decides to leave the sorority.

[mercury]

proof? read the writing under the photo.........




"written in Japanese, Chinese, French and other languages. The university selected 33 students from 17 countries as volunteers"

Okay........at least they were honest, they wrote that the university "selected" the students as "volunteers". Now, we have just seen the birth of a new oxymoron, a selected vonunteer!

[Cthulhu]

I don't think it's a normal thing to see exchange students getting involved in emotional national issues unless the students are politicized to begin with, and looking at that group I'd say it's not bloody likely.

[Ya-ta Boy]

The phrase "fishing for a compliment" comes to mind.

I challenge anyone who has been in Korea longer than 3 days and has been in conversations with at least 4 Koreans to say that they have not been exposed to this strategy.

How many of you have taken the time to look at the legal evidence on ownership of those islands? I know I haven't. I have no clue who should have sovereignty. And I doubt those students in the picture do either.

There is a vast difference between having an opinion and having an informed opinion.

[Blind Willie]