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crazylemongirl



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 10:06 pm    Post subject: Dokdo weridness in public schools Reply with quote

So today I was called into the principals office for my weekly meeting with him.

Anyway he gives me this document from the gyeonggi do education office on dokdo. It basically outlined the korean position on it. The thing had a very biased line not much debate, just japan is evil blah blah. So I was mroe than surprised to see that in coming out of a public education office. Then basically he told me that dokdo is korea's and the sea between japan and korea is the east sea. He was upset to be told that we got taught in schools that it was the sea of japan.

I was somewhat taken a back by this. First up that such a document came out of a public education office and secondly that I had to get a lecture on it. My classes rarely talk about current events as I stay well clear of them due to my students low level of english.

Anyone else have any Dokdo related weirdness?
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jajdude



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know about Dokdo, but Korea seems to be the only country that calls that water the "East Sea."
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Koreabound2004



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My students keep asking me what I think about Dokdo...sometimes I say, "You mean Takeshima?" It provides me with some entertainment.

And they say NO NO NO!!!!! And I tell them later that I am only kidding. I do think it belongs to Korea, not sure why, since I know nothing of the history.....maybe because I am used to having to agree with them all the time about crap like this. Don't want to make any one cry! I did tell them that the guy who lit himself on fire was silly...since he is, and once this blows over, he will regret it I am sure. Same goes for the buddy who chopped off his finger(s). I mean there is protesting, and then there's CRAZY!!!!!

But I am getting tired of hearing about it. And yesterday when I asked them if they felt anything from the earthquake in Japan...well I got an ear full about how Japan deserved it b/c of Dokdo. I have heard from different people here the same saying about how they hope Japan sinks under the water. This saying must be plastered on some site, or on TV.....it just won't go away. Shocked
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kangnamdragon



Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Kangnam, Seoul, Korea

PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 11:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Dokdo weridness in public schools Reply with quote

crazylemongirl wrote:
So today I was called into the principals office for my weekly meeting with him.

Anyway he gives me this document from the gyeonggi do education office on dokdo. It basically outlined the korean position on it. The thing had a very biased line not much debate, just japan is evil blah blah. So I was mroe than surprised to see that in coming out of a public education office. Then basically he told me that dokdo is korea's and the sea between japan and korea is the east sea. He was upset to be told that we got taught in schools that it was the sea of japan.

I was somewhat taken a back by this. First up that such a document came out of a public education office and secondly that I had to get a lecture on it. My classes rarely talk about current events as I stay well clear of them due to my students low level of english.

Anyone else have any Dokdo related weirdness?


I don't understand what the problem is here. Of course Dokdo belongs to Korea. What exactly should not be coming out of the public schools? that what you know of as the Sea of Japan is called the East Sea in Korea? Why is this surprising and why should it bother you?
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crazylemongirl



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 11:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Dokdo weridness in public schools Reply with quote

kangnamdragon wrote:

I don't understand what the problem is here. Of course Dokdo belongs to Korea. What exactly should not be coming out of the public schools? that what you know of as the Sea of Japan is called the East Sea in Korea? Why is this surprising and why should it bother you?


Because I couldnt' leave his office without saying that Dokdo was Korea's! The fact that I called in and got lecutured on it when it has nothing to do with my subject. Also that what is in essence a political issue should be taught in schools in such a manner is really dangerous. I think that should at least try and acknowledge that there are multiple viewpoints on an issue and the students should be taught all of them and then from there formulate their own opinions from there.
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kangnamdragon



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you work for the Korean government you should accept its position, or at least pretend to. It is not an internal political manner, it is a matter of history. I think it is important for foreigners here to see this so they don't antagonize their students. This is not a funny situation. I was asked last night if the U.S. would support Korea in a war against Japan. I am sure the majority are not considering war, but it is not a laughing manner.
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crazylemongirl



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 11:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kangnamdragon wrote:
If you work for the Korean government you should accept its position, or at least pretend to. It is not an internal political manner, it is a matter of history. I think it is important for foreigners here to see this so they don't antagonize their students. This is not a funny situation. I was asked last night if the U.S. would support Korea in a war against Japan. I am sure the majority are not considering war, but it is not a laughing manner.


As a forgeigner i see it as purely an internal matter between korea and japan. As such we should have no opinon on it. That is what I told my principal. I understand what he is saying but I feel the need to be neutral on such a matter.

Also again I was hired to teach english. Current events are clearly out of my brief. What my political leanings are not a matter for dicussion in the classroom nor the adminstration. This is clearly not part of my job brief.
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dogbert



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 11:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't see why the word Takeshima should be taboo...Koreans have their own name for Tsushima, after all.
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trigger123



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 1:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i'm with gnd on this one.
i too recieved the document from my school, and although i knew it was hardly going to present a balanced point of view, it was good idea to read it.
current affairs are not outside of our brief. you think we can exist in our nice little efl bubble forever and a day? no i'm sorry, the gyeonggi board are trying to inform its staff, ableit in a biased fashion, which has to be a good thing.
nod your head, state that dokdo is korea's, the east sea is in fact the east sea and kimchi can bring the dead back to life for crying out loud... but then go and find out for yourself if its true.

crazylemongirl wrote:
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As a forgeigner i see it as purely an internal matter between korea and japan. As such we should have no opinon on it. That is what I told my principal. I understand what he is saying but I feel the need to be neutral on such a matter.

i can't agree with this. we are entitled to our personal opinion but in a work environment, particularly the korean one, we have to behave in a certain manner. you live in this country and teach english, but we can't pretend the world isn't spinning.
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hellofaniceguy



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 1:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the S of J...I tell students it's the S of J...not the East Sea because it's NOT east of Japan...it's west of Japan.
Find a new name where BOTH countries can benefit...until then...it's the S of J. Say's who? Says ME!
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crazylemongirl



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 2:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

trigger123 wrote:

i can't agree with this. we are entitled to our personal opinion but in a work environment, particularly the korean one, we have to behave in a certain manner. you live in this country and teach english, but we can't pretend the world isn't spinning.


Again I was hired to teach english. Current events are clearly out of my brief. What my political leanings are not a matter for dicussion in the classroom nor the adminstration. This is clearly not part of my job brief.

My boys english is at such a low level that I can't bring anything like that to class anyway!

The world can spin away but it's not up for me to shape opinons on this matter. If my students question me about it I'll say I don't know and palm them off to the societies teacher.
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Tiger Beer



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 2:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jajdude wrote:
I don't know about Dokdo, but Korea seems to be the only country that calls that water the "East Sea."

If they legitimately wanted to change the 'Sea of Japan' to another name.. I'd suggest anything besides the 'East Sea'.

Hmm.. the Gulf of Mexico... lets change that to the 'South Seas'.. I'm sure that would go over just as well.
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Koreabound2004



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 2:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I completely agree with CLG on this....

There is no reason for her to be lectured on such a matter, for reasons that she already made very clear above....

The principal has no right to push his beliefs on CLG.....I think it is completely and utterly ridiculous. However, in Korea, such behaviour is the norm(doesn't mean we have to accept it).

They are taking this too far.....to the point where I don't even want to talk about the issue at all with Koreans.


All people are entitled to have their own opinions and beliefs, but they should not be forced on someone.
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rapier



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 3:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unfortunately, esl teachers here make handy international representatives to vent their nationalistic complexes on..
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mithridates



Joined: 03 Mar 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 4:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you were Canadian you could have also spent a few minutes getting the director to agree on the position that Hans Island is most definately Canada's, and not Denmark's. Every time he brings up Dokdo talk about Hans Island as well.
"Dokdo belongs to Korea and no one can take it."
"I know exactly how you feel. I feel the same way about Hans Island. I hope you know about Hans Island because I really want your support too in this matter. It's ours, you know."

And if you're Australian:

Quote:

the 1999 maritime delimitation established partial maritime boundaries with East Timor over part of the Timor Gap but temporary resource-sharing agreements over an unreconciled area grant Australia 90% share of exploited gas reserves and hamper creation of a southern maritime boundary with Indonesia (see Ashmore and Cartier Islands disputes); Australia asserts a territorial claim to Antarctica and to its continental shelf (see Antarctica)


Or kiwi:

Quote:
territorial claim in Antarctica (Ross Dependency)
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