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MALE ESL teachers have a serious public relations problem?
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mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 4:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ladyandthetramp wrote:
I recently signed a new contract with my school. They brought up the English Spectrum scandal, but since they thought I did a good job, the students liked me and they trusted me, they wanted me to keep working there. (Yes, I'm a male.)

I wasn't sure if that was a compliment, somehow. Is "we don't think you're a child molestor" a compliment?

Anyway, although I didn't say anything, I was admittedly slightly annoyed that they seemed to buy into the fear perpetuated by this scandal. On the other hand, I like my coworkers and the pay keeps me happy, so I can't complain too much...


Ha Smile "You too may not be a child molester. Take this simple test..."
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rapier



Joined: 16 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 5:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

keithinkorea wrote:
The most bad behaviour I've seen from any particular group is definitely old Korean guys. Shocking displays of bad manners, drunkeness, violence, language, but they can get away with it! Why ? Because they are old male Koreans. The same behaviour from foreign males and it makes front page news.

The double standards make me sick.


I agree- the old guys behave like t**ts and think its their right because of seniority. Drunkenness, belligerence, rudeness...yet they expect a big automatic show of respect from anyone younger. The ajummas are likewise pushy and ill-mannered.
Where I come from elders set a good example for the youngsters. Respect is earned by considerate behavior:)
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Real Reality



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 5:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Foreigners (in 2000)
Country.... Population ... Male..... Female
U.S.A. ...... 11940 .........7390 ......4550
Canada ...... 2468 ........1511 .......957
U. K............ 1184 ..........866 .......318
France ....... 1142 ..........741 .......401
Germany..... 920 ............655 ......265
Australia..... 719 .............456 ......263
International Statistical Cooperation Division
Korea National Statistical Office
http://www.nso.go.kr/eng/qna/view.html?num=3226
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R. S. Refugee



Joined: 29 Sep 2004
Location: Shangra La, ROK

PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 7:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

crazylemongirl wrote:

Anyway I find it highly amusing that people are willing to use their own experience and obersvations to generalize against half the population of men here and then complain when they do the same to us come job hunting time Rolling Eyes


If I were given to over-generalization, I would say that is because one of the sexes is more prone to emotionalism rather than rational thinking.

Luckily, I'm not given to that. Very Happy Laughing Wink
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jajdude



Joined: 18 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 9:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A lot of jobs say female preferred. Yet there are a lot more foreign males here. In general are males happier here, or living in Asia, or abroad? Tough one to answer, no doubt.
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mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

crazylemongirl wrote:
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I get the impression that in the past Koreans have favoured young males over young females, so perhaps this is just evening things out a bit.


No in general the preference has been for women, in particular blonde haired blue eyed ones from north america.

As for my troll I'll explain it further.

I don't think it's just korean men who think that foreign men are playboys. We're working in education with a bunch of women. They are the ones that largely do the hiring and firing if not directly then defeintly indirectly (I have a male principal but you bet your life that if I didn't get on well with the women further down the food chain I would be outta here).

Anyway I find it highly amusing that people are willing to use their own experience and obersvations to generalize against half the population of men here and then complain when they do the same to us come job hunting time Rolling Eyes


Very true. I've always said "Your hagwon director is not Korea."
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Pyongshin Sangja



Joined: 20 Apr 2003
Location: I love baby!

PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Foreigners (in 2000)
Country.... Population ... Male..... Female
U.S.A. ...... 11940 .........7390 ......4550
Canada ...... 2468 ........1511 .......957
U. K............ 1184 ..........866 .......318
France ....... 1142 ..........741 .......401
Germany..... 920 ............655 ......265
Australia..... 719 .............456 ......263
International Statistical Cooperation Division
Korea National Statistical Office


Ah, yes. The elusive Australian female. A choice of connoiseurs everywhere.
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Tiger Beer



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Real Reality wrote:
Foreigners (in 2000)
Country.... Population ... Male..... Female
U.S.A. ...... 11940 .........7390 ......4550
Canada ...... 2468 ........1511 .......957
U. K............ 1184 ..........866 .......318
France ....... 1142 ..........741 .......401
Germany..... 920 ............655 ......265
Australia..... 719 .............456 ......263
International Statistical Cooperation Division
Korea National Statistical Office
http://www.nso.go.kr/eng/qna/view.html?num=3226

Got any stats on how many of the Americans are in the military?
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Pyongshin Sangja



Joined: 20 Apr 2003
Location: I love baby!

PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 2:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, there are 32,000 US troops here, soon to be reduced to about 25,000. They don't get visas, they are here under SOFA. I think the Americans on this chart are all business people, perhaps DOD civilian contractors, teachers and tourists.
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rapier



Joined: 16 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 3:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pyongshin Sangja wrote:
teachers and tourists.


Tourist = visiting friend/family relation of esl teacher, or someone on the wrong flight by mistake.
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AJRimmer



Joined: 31 Jan 2004

PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 4:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ladyandthetramp wrote:


I wasn't sure if that was a compliment, somehow. Is "we don't think you're a child molestor" a compliment?


I got the same thing after a recent (and very positive) Daum article about myself and some other foreigners here. A couple of posts (ok maybe 1) on my site saying somthing like ,"You are a foreigner in Korea, but you don't seem to be a child molester, you can stay in korea."

At first I was like, well thats nice - they don't think I'm a child molestor.
Then I was like: they posted on my site to offer positive feedback....and "I don't think you're a Michael Jackson" is the best they could come up with?? Shocked Crying or Very sad

Actully it gave me a laugh and I was really quite touched and grateful they took the time to register and post.
Still, its probably not a compliment I'll be writing home to Mom about Very Happy
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Corporal



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 5:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rapier wrote:
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Coupled with that, they need to stop killing all their unborn baby girls, or the problem will get even worse.


Oh ya, the MEN need to stop killing their baby girls. Rolling Eyes
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Pyongshin Sangja



Joined: 20 Apr 2003
Location: I love baby!

PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a male-dominated society. The men are responsible.
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