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dogbert
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: Killbox 90210
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| Blind Willie wrote: |
| It's galling to keep reading this crap |
Who's coercing _you_? |
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mercury
Joined: 05 Dec 2004
Location: Pusan
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| Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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hey, leave blind willie alone, why do you think he chose the name
"blind willie" sometimes people enjoy keeping their heads in the sand. |
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casey's moon
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: Daejeon
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| Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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| mercury wrote: |
blind Willie (wake up, please)
Now, look at the photo..........okay..............what is the group doing?
Okay, now............who do you think "thought of this idea"? Do you think these students were just walking along one afternoon, and then all of the sudden they all said "hey, let's write in each of our languages, that Korea owns that little island.........and then let us take a photo.......and then they just might publish it!"
Okay, now look at the dark haired guy in the very back, the one trying to hide............
well, what do you think? And what do you think was the "logic" behind this great idea? Why not go over different fallacies of Logic, and try to find an answer, I will even help you out a little.........
The Appeal to Popularity has the following form:
Most people approve of X (have favorable emotions towards X).
Therefore X is true.
The basic idea is that a claim is accepted as being true simply because most people are favorably inclined towards the claim. More formally, the fact that most people have favorable emotions associated with the claim is substituted in place of actual evidence for the claim. A person falls prey to this fallacy if he accepts a claim as being true simply because most other people approve of the claim.
It is clearly fallacious to accept the approval of the majority as evidence for a claim. For example, suppose that a skilled speaker managed to get most people to absolutely love the claim that 1+1=3. It would still not be rational to accept this claim simply because most people approved of it. After all, mere approval is no substitute for a mathematical proof. At one time people approved of claims such as "the world is flat", "humans cannot survive at speeds greater than 25 miles per hour", "the sun revolves around the earth" but all these claims turned out to be false.
This sort of "reasoning" is quite common and can be quite an effective persusasive device. Since most humans tend to conform with the views of the majority, convincing a person that the majority approves of a claim is often an effective way to get him to accept it. Advertisers often use this tactic when they attempt to sell products by claiming that everyone uses and loves their products. In such cases they hope that people will accept the (purported) approval of others as a good reason to buy the product.
This fallacy is vaguely similar to such fallacies as Appeal to Belief and Appeal to Common Practice. However, in the case of an Ad Populum the appeal is to the fact that most people approve of a claim. In the case of an Appeal to Belief, the appeal is to the fact that most people believe a claim. In the case of an Appeal to Common Practice, the appeal is to the fact that many people take the action in question.
This fallacy is closely related to the Appeal to Emotion fallacy, as discussed in the entry for that fallacy.
Examples of Appeal to Popularity
"My fellow Americans...there has been some talk that the government is overstepping its bounds by allowing police to enter peoples' homes without the warrants traditionally required by the Constitution. However, these are dangerous times and dangerous times require appropriate actions. I have in my office thousands of letters from people who let me know, in no uncertain terms, that they heartily endorse the war against crime in these United States. Because of this overwhelming approval, it is evident that the police are doing the right thing."
"I read the other day that most people really like the new gun control laws. I was sort of suspicious of them, but I guess if most people like them, then they must be okay."
Jill and Jane have some concerns that the rules their sorority has set are racist in character. Since Jill is a decent person, she brings her concerns up in the next meeting. The president of the sorority assures her that there is nothing wrong with the rules, since the majority of the sisters like them. Jane accepts this ruling but Jill decides to leave the sorority. |
So then why is it an example of Korean logic? |
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thorin
Joined: 14 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Tiberious aka Sparkles wrote: |
That girl with the Heidi pigtails is hotter than all get out.
Sparkles*_* |
I'll take the one on the far right in the CAU shirt. |
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weatherman
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 10:43 pm Post subject: |
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weatherman
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Blind Willie wrote: |
You know, it takes special skill and dedication to be a moron of your level.
It's galling to keep reading this crap
Twits. |
I remember your old sock on this board and in a big final blowout post you promised to leave, Korea, this board and go on to Japan. What is your deal now? |
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diver
Joined: 16 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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| mercury wrote: |
hey, leave blind willie alone, why do you think he chose the name
"blind willie" sometimes people enjoy keeping their heads in the sand. |
It's just a screen name. He's not really blind. And he doesn't really have a willie. |
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adventureman
Joined: 18 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 12:37 am Post subject: |
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| weatherman wrote: |
| I remember your old sock on this board and in a big final blowout post you promised to leave, Korea, this board and go on to Japan. What is your deal now? |
Becasue he is unemployable back in Nova Scotia and had to come to Korea to find work. |
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indytrucks
Joined: 09 Apr 2003
Location: The Shelf
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| Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 12:46 am Post subject: |
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| Blind Willie wrote: |
Would you idiots please pull your heads out of your asses and stop looking for Korean conspirators, racists, and other "evidence" for your belief of their yellow-skinned evil lurking around every corner...Unless they're k-girls, then you all forget about the existance of the dirty Korean...
It's galling to keep reading this crap since most you are every bit as bigoted and ethocentric as you're claiming they are.
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Sage. Very sage. |
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jaykimf
Joined: 24 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 3:19 pm Post subject: Re: on the other hand.......... |
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| mercury wrote: |
proof? read the writing under the photo.........
"written in Japanese, Chinese, French and other languages. The university selected 33 students from 17 countries as volunteers"
Okay........at least they were honest, they wrote that the university "selected" the students as "volunteers". Now, we have just seen the birth of a new oxymoron, a selected vonunteer! |
118 students volunteered. 33 of the volunteers were selected to participate. The 33 volunteers who were selected are the selected volunteers. Got it?
Furthermore, while it is true that most Koreans believe that Dokdo is Korean, no Korean is argueing that Dokdo is Korean because Koreans believe it is Korean. That is your arguement. You ascribe to the Koreans an arguement they have not made and then attack that arguement. You are the one with defective logic. |
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