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Ryst Helmut
Joined: 26 Apr 2003
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| hellofaniceguy wrote: |
On the S of J...I tell students it's the S of J...not the East Sea because it's NOT east of Japan...it's west of Japan.
Find a new name where BOTH countries can benefit...until then...it's the S of J. Say's who? Says ME! |
I agree that that little body of name-disputed water is in fact "The Sea of Japan," but not for your reason(s)....
If, by chance, Japan were to recede into the ocean and have no piece of dry land showing, the body of water for sure would be renamed....
The Pacific Ocean.
So, because of Japan's existence the body of water is named after that land (mass).
!Shoosh
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Len8
Joined: 12 Feb 2003
Location: Kyungju
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When Condolleza Rice was here, some one brought up the issue of why the US were supporting the Japanese over some United nations issue when they were clearly in the wrong with their clains for Dokdo.
Rice kinda smiled and grinned I guess because she was familiar with the Koren Emotions being on a high about the whole thing |
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crazylemongirl
Joined: 23 Mar 2003
Location: almost there...
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| Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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| peemil wrote: |
If the Chinese sided with the Koreans, the US would side with the Japanese. Then it'd be all on.
If every foreigner just walked around muttering Dokdo under their breath all the time, maybe we called ignite the fire in the Korean heart, and they would pick up their bags, put on their visors, get in boats and begin the invasion now.
Unlikely, but the image of 5000 ajumas attacking a beach in Japan, ala, Saving Private Ryan, is making me laugh at 7:18 in the morning. |
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JacktheCat
Joined: 08 May 2004
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When was this war over fishing rights? When was the last time Korea and Japan went to war for that matter? Japanese imperialism was scarcely about fishing rights or even feeding it's people...and the occupation that started in 1905 wasn't a war...so..... when was this war?
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Do some research and find out about a little thing called the "Imjin War."
The Koreans have a bad taste in their mouths about the Japanese for a reason. |
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dbee
Joined: 29 Dec 2004
Location: korea
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| Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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Territorial disputes are nothing new, China has Taiwan, Ireland, Norway, Iceland, Britain are all claiming rights over Rockall Islands.
This has got nothing to do with ownership over the actual islands (rocks). It's also different (I reckon) to the name dispute over Sea of Japan / East Sea thing. And is also mostly unrelated to the gas / oil exploration rights.
In claiming ownership over a Korean island, not only are Japan opening up an unhealed wound which was just starting to heal, but they are also restating clearly that they think it is acceptable to claim parts of Korea, and thus by inference the whole of Korea, as being a part of Japan.
The islands are basically a symbol of the Korean nationhood and the ability of the Koreans to defend it. By claiming the islands, the Japanese are by extension (in the eyes of Koreans) restating their previous claims that all of Korea is a Japanese colony/protectorate. This is something the Koreans have sworn will never happen again.
The reaction that you are seeing basically, isn't just one of the Korean nation defending their rights over dokdo, but rather their attempts to defend the Korean nationhood and also to stop a newly-confident, expansionist, aggressive, Japanese in their tracks. |
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rok_the-boat
Joined: 24 Jan 2004
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| ThePoet wrote: |
| IF there was any logic to this world, and IF there were any spirit of cooperation, They could address the U.N. to make Dokdo a neutral territory, or even better, a mini island nation, like Malta. King Solomon would be pleased with a decision like that...but barring that, I have two other solutions.... |
Actually, that is exactly the kind of thing Japan would like to see happen. King Solomen would NOT be pleased. If he threatend to destroy the island, Japan would say yes, Korea would say no. Why? Because Korean people are on it. Then, he would draw his logical conclusion and give it to Korea.
Korea's mistake is to make it an issue that could end up in the UN. Korea need say nothing. |
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rok_the-boat
Joined: 24 Jan 2004
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| Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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| I too have been questioned on it. My reply is always the same: It belongs to the strongest. If you want to keep it, your will to keep it must be greater than Japan's will to take it. But when the ball is in your court (Koreans are on it), why continue to play? |
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casey's moon
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: Daejeon
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| Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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| rok_the-boat wrote: |
| ThePoet wrote: |
| IF there was any logic to this world, and IF there were any spirit of cooperation, They could address the U.N. to make Dokdo a neutral territory, or even better, a mini island nation, like Malta. King Solomon would be pleased with a decision like that...but barring that, I have two other solutions.... |
Actually, that is exactly the kind of thing Japan would like to see happen. King Solomen would NOT be pleased. If he threatend to destroy the island, Japan would say yes, Korea would say no. Why? Because Korean people are on it. Then, he would draw his logical conclusion and give it to Korea.
Korea's mistake is to make it an issue that could end up in the UN. Korea need say nothing. |
That is EXACTLY it, and well said. |
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judge-ing-na
Joined: 15 Dec 2003
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yep, I got that info as well. Plus a Demand to teach a 45 minute class about it to all 11 of my 3rd year classes. how? Maybe I will do as was suggested and spend 40 minutes talking about other territorial disputes. What annoyed me was the way it was forced on me and the fact that other Korean teachers will (for the first time) join my classes to join (monitor) to discussion.
I think the issue has more to do with the gas hydrate reserves under the islands rather than the scenic beauty. I think there was an article in mondays Korea Herald.. |
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gang ah jee
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: city of paper
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| Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Korea seems to be the only country that calls that water the "East Sea." |
Right. And everyone already knows that the 'East Sea' is, in fact, the body of water to the east of Vietnam. |
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Konundrum
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Boston
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| Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2005 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Konundrum wrote: |
When was this war over fishing rights? When was the last time Korea and Japan went to war for that matter? Japanese imperialism was scarcely about fishing rights or even feeding it's people...and the occupation that started in 1905 wasn't a war...so..... when was this war?
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Do some research and find out about a little thing called the "Imjin War."
The Koreans have a bad taste in their mouths about the Japanese for a reason. |
Dude,
The Imjin wars happened in the 1500's. That's my point exactly...they haven't gone to war with Japan officially since that time...and even then it wasn't about fishing rights or feeding their people. My point is that today, in the present world political climate, going to war over something like fishing rights is as (if not more) asinine than going to war over oil rights. |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| If you work for the Korean government you should accept its position, or at least pretend to. |
Really? And where do you stop? Would you teach to the students that all Japanese are bad if the Korean government tells you to? I admit, Korean democracy has a lot of growing to do before its government stops relying on nationalistic sentiment to bind people together. But, it's still the teachers' responsibility to present a level-headed look at the issue. Face it, propaganda has been thought in Korean schools in the past. Consider the fact teachers only started refusing to teach anti North Korean propaganda in elementary school in the late 90s. It's the teachers' responsibility to discuss the topic of Dokdo with the kids in a manner to minimize the effect of xenophobia and propaganda found in the media. |
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rok_the-boat
Joined: 24 Jan 2004
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| Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 12:21 am Post subject: An interesting counter-argument for the school kids |
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It's not Dokdo, it's the Liancourt Rocks Bombing Range
Devil's Advocate hat on: Looks like the US claimed them as theirs for a few years - well - they certainly used them as theirs ...
http://www.geocities.com/mlovmo/index.html |
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Bozo Yoroshiku
Joined: 23 Feb 2005
Location: Outside ???'s house with a pair of binoculars
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| Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 1:27 am Post subject: |
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| I too have been questioned on it. |
I got the question today. After a 40 minute review for a test tomorrow, we had another 10 minutes to kill, so I opened it up to questions.
"Teacher, do you know Dokdo?"
The look of horror on my face must have scared them. They dropped the subject immediately with a quick apology.
--boz |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 4:42 am Post subject: |
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Does anyone understand why Roh is saying that by that prefecture government declaring Takeshima Day, Japan is rejecting Korea's independence?
I don't get the logic. Anyone able to explain? |
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