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komtengi
Joined: 30 Sep 2003
Location: Slummin it up in Haebangchon
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85% intend to do nothing even though no one knows the real story of what happened.
And people wonder I don't want anything to do with most other efl'ers in Korea. |
does it matter if we really know the whole story?? they broke the law... simple.. no go home and cry to mummy just a little more if it makes u feel any better |
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Demonicat
Joined: 18 Nov 2004
Location: Suwon
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It amazes me that on this board there are (or have been, at least) multible bi%ch fests about the GI's starting fights or getting rough, yet rarely do they F&*k anyone up. Two illegal canucks get drunk and bust some old dude's head in and everones supposed to get teary eyed. Maybe, its just because I'm an American from a big city (D.C/Baltimore) that I understand that the concept of "Don't start nothing, ain't gonna be nothing" means occasionally walking out early- especially at 4 am, especially when eveyone's drunk, especially when you're, well, wanted by the police (illegals aren't exactly on good grounds). It was pure idiocy. Even if they were jumped, they should have just made lots of noise and tried to get the F out of the place. But I digress.
Regardless of money, there's a good chance that this one may become politically charged- especially if the EFL community gets behind these A$$hats and starts paying their court fees.
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poker player
Joined: 27 Sep 2004
Location: On the river
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>>does it matter if we really know the whole story?? they broke the law... simple.. no go home and cry to mummy just a little more if it makes u feel any better<<
"Go home and cry to mommy?" Where did that come from?
"Oh -Koreans say it was their fault so it must be true." I guess that's why you're in Korea huh ? "Innocent until proven guilty" just a little too much to comprehend huh? Well at least with an attitude like that, you'll never have to worry about being chosen for jury selection |
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Demonicat
Joined: 18 Nov 2004
Location: Suwon
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| You can never know the whole story about anything, especially criminal matters. The fact of the matter is that we do know that !) they were illegal 2) they did engage in combat 3) they did more damage than was needed (guessing based on how we hear nothing of THEIR medical bills) |
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Bozo Yoroshiku
Joined: 23 Feb 2005
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| ust found out that they were urinatin in an alley. |
Just to clarify: at The Bar (the name of the place where this took place), the urinal is located in the alley next to the bar. Without more information, I can only assume that's where they were doing their business.
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komtengi
Joined: 30 Sep 2003
Location: Slummin it up in Haebangchon
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| Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 1:09 am Post subject: |
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>>does it matter if we really know the whole story?? they broke the law... simple.. no go home and cry to mummy just a little more if it makes u feel any better<<
"Go home and cry to mommy?" Where did that come from?
"Oh -Koreans say it was their fault so it must be true." I guess that's why you're in Korea huh ? "Innocent until proven guilty" just a little too much to comprehend huh? Well at least with an attitude like that, you'll never have to worry about being chosen for jury selection |
why r u are sticking up for a couple of blokes who broke another persons jaw... its irrelevant if he was Korean, they were Canadian. if I was in a biff with some other foreigners and got my jaw broke I'd take it to the full extent of the law. what makes these guys so special?? I cant really work it out... at the end of the day the Korean guy got his jaw broken, not need to feel sorry for the ones doing the damage |
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poker player
Joined: 27 Sep 2004
Location: On the river
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| Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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>>does it matter if we really know the whole story?? they broke the law... simple.. no go home and cry to mummy just a little more if it makes u feel any better<<
"Go home and cry to mommy?" Where did that come from?
"Oh -Koreans say it was their fault so it must be true." I guess that's why you're in Korea huh ? "Innocent until proven guilty" just a little too much to comprehend huh? Well at least with an attitude like that, you'll never have to worry about being chosen for jury selection |
why r u are sticking up for a couple of blokes who broke another persons jaw... its irrelevant if he was Korean, they were Canadian. if I was in a biff with some other foreigners and got my jaw broke I'd take it to the full extent of the law. what makes these guys so special?? I cant really work it out... at the end of the day the Korean guy got his jaw broken, not need to feel sorry for the ones doing the damage |
Because maybe it wasn't them who started the fight. If you start a biff as you call it with me and because I know how to defend myself, in the process of defending myself I happen to break your jaw-why should I be held responsible. Look-I'm not saying they didn't start it-I'm saying we don't know and regardless it should be innocent until proven guilty.
This whole thread started with a poll about would you help them and I was shocked that over 80% were a flat out "NO". I've been with people here who have been on both sides of this situation. When they were at fault, I did my best to convince them they were wrong. But on a couple of occasions when they were under attack, I had no problem standing beside them. That's the way it should be no matter where you are.
Ahh hell, why am I even wasting my time replying to this? You either get it or you don't. |
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sparkx
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: thekimchipot.com
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| Because maybe it wasn't them who started the fight. If you start a biff as you call it with me and because I know how to defend myself, in the process of defending myself I happen to break your jaw-why should I be held responsible. Look-I'm not saying they didn't start it-I'm saying we don't know and regardless it should be innocent until proven guilty. |
I know you may not have realized this, from all your drunken keg parties with your Nova Scotian bretheren and all, but you are in Asia now chooch and guess what?...laws are different here. *shock*
THERE ARE NO SELF DEFENSE LAWS HERE.
Innocent until proven guilty???? haha...seriously man, where do you think you are right now?
Here's another free little geography lesson for ya:
In some Asian countries you can be put to death for drug posession
In others you can be thrown in the clink and forced to serve seriously hard time simply for banging a native girl.
There are even countries in this big crazy world where being gay is a criminal offense...wonders never cease huh?
But, but, but, but in Ca-na-da.....shut the hell up. |
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Cthulhu
Joined: 02 Feb 2003
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| Because maybe it wasn't them who started the fight. If you start a biff as you call it with me and because I know how to defend myself, in the process of defending myself I happen to break your jaw-why should I be held responsible. Look-I'm not saying they didn't start it-I'm saying we don't know and regardless it should be innocent until proven guilty. |
So you like to help people regardless of whether they are guilty or not? Innocent until proven guilty is fine in a court of law, but who is going to use that kind of thinking to determine whether they want to spend time and/or money to help someone who might be in the wrong? The facts as they stand don't exactly promote innocent until proven guilty--we know so little about the facts of this case and yet you want us to leap to the defense of these poor guys who broke someone's jaw.
Basically you are saying that we should help people we don't know--in this case someone who came out on the winning end of the fight--because we should believe them. Why? Because they are foreigners? Because they are Canadian? Damn, I'm in Canada right now and if I used that kind of thinking there are a hundred people in the local lockup right now who could really use my help because I have to assume they are innocent until proven guilty. This could take awhile... And if you want to take the "poor Canadians in a foreign land" motif I've read many stories of illegals arrested here in Canada awaiting trial or deportation--should I take up their cause as well? They must be innocent, right?
"I must help my Canadian brother" just doesn't cut it for a lot of people. Let them have their day in court.
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This whole thread started with a poll about would you help them and I was shocked that over 80% were a flat out "NO". I've been with people here who have been on both sides of this situation. When they were at fault, I did my best to convince them they were wrong. But on a couple of occasions when they were under attack, I had no problem standing beside them. That's the way it should be no matter where you are.
Ahh hell, why am I even wasting my time replying to this? You either get it or you don't. |
Oh, we get it all right--we're not inclined to jump to the defense of someone who apparently defended themselves quite ably. Just out of curiosity, as of today what have you done to help these poor Canadians? |
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Son Deureo!
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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It amazes me that on this board there are (or have been, at least) multible bi%ch fests about the GI's starting fights or getting rough, yet rarely do they F&*k anyone up. Two illegal canucks get drunk and bust some old dude's head in and everones supposed to get teary eyed. Maybe, its just because I'm an American from a big city (D.C/Baltimore) that I understand that the concept of "Don't start nothing, ain't gonna be nothing" means occasionally walking out early- especially at 4 am, especially when eveyone's drunk, especially when you're, well, wanted by the police (illegals aren't exactly on good grounds). It was pure idiocy. Even if they were jumped, they should have just made lots of noise and tried to get the F out of the place. But I digress.
Regardless of money, there's a good chance that this one may become politically charged- especially if the EFL community gets behind these A$$hats and starts paying their court fees. |
I don't see where you're getting this from. Most of the people posting on this thread are NOT getting behind the people involved, nor do they particularly want to help. I think people just want to know what happened, and there does seem to be some concern that even if they were just defending themselves, the law wouldn't be on their side.
You're right, according to the info we have so far they're a couple of drunken brawlers who should have had the common sense to run because they were illegal. I don't see many people disagreeing with you. |
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dogbert
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: Killbox 90210
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| Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Because maybe it wasn't them who started the fight. If you start a biff as you call it with me and because I know how to defend myself, in the process of defending myself I happen to break your jaw-why should I be held responsible. Look-I'm not saying they didn't start it-I'm saying we don't know and regardless it should be innocent until proven guilty. |
I know you may not have realized this, from all your drunken keg parties with your Nova Scotian bretheren and all, but you are in Asia now chooch and guess what?...laws are different here. *shock*
THERE ARE NO SELF DEFENSE LAWS HERE.
Innocent until proven guilty???? haha...seriously man, where do you think you are right now?
Here's another free little geography lesson for ya:
In some Asian countries you can be put to death for drug posession
In others you can be thrown in the clink and forced to serve seriously hard time simply for banging a native girl.
There are even countries in this big crazy world where being gay is a criminal offense...wonders never cease huh?
But, but, but, but in Ca-na-da.....shut the hell up. |
Post of the year. |
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poker player
Joined: 27 Sep 2004
Location: On the river
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| Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Because maybe it wasn't them who started the fight. If you start a biff as you call it with me and because I know how to defend myself, in the process of defending myself I happen to break your jaw-why should I be held responsible. Look-I'm not saying they didn't start it-I'm saying we don't know and regardless it should be innocent until proven guilty. |
I know you may not have realized this, from all your drunken keg parties with your Nova Scotian bretheren and all, but you are in Asia now chooch and guess what?...laws are different here. *shock*
THERE ARE NO SELF DEFENSE LAWS HERE.
Innocent until proven guilty???? haha...seriously man, where do you think you are right now?
Here's another free little geography lesson for ya:
In some Asian countries you can be put to death for drug posession
In others you can be thrown in the clink and forced to serve seriously hard time simply for banging a native girl.
There are even countries in this big crazy world where being gay is a criminal offense...wonders never cease huh?
But, but, but, but in Ca-na-da.....shut the hell up. |
So you think I'm a drunken Nova Scotian huh? nope, never been there. Why do you feel a need to project false statements? But I have travelled to many places in the world and I do know that you dont want to be caught taking drugs into Thailand and Singapore or you will be executed if caught.. I also realize there are laws around the world that blow our minds as Westerners. So apparently you are putting Korea in the category of these countries. I choose not to do that but if you really believe that Korea is not a 1st world country with justice available to all then I understand your condescending ad hominem approach. |
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sparkx
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| I choose not to do that but if you really believe that Korea is not a 1st world country with justice available to all then I understand your condescending ad hominem approach. |
You may not be from Nova Scotia but it certainly sounds like you are a card carying member of the Unqualified Club based on your reading comprehension skills.
What i have stated is a cold, hard, empirical fact. Don't believe me? Take a stroll down to your local Police Box and have a little pow-wow with Police Chief Kim. Ask him about self defense laws in korea. Ask him about the notion of "innocent until proven guilty" in an assault case. How I "categorize" these laws is completely irrelevant.
The fact that you are somehow trying to twist this thing to make it sound like I am bashing Korea completely discredits your argument and makes you sound like a 4 year old who lost his pacifier. |
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squat toilet
Joined: 08 Mar 2005
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You may not be from Nova Scotia but it certainly sounds like you are a card carying member of the Unqualified Club based on your reading comprehension skills.
What i have stated is a cold, hard, empirical fact. Don't believe me? Take a stroll down to your local Police Box and have a little pow-wow with Police Chief Kim. Ask him about self defense laws in korea. Ask him about the notion of "innocent until proven guilty" in an assault case. How I "categorize" these laws is completely irrelevant.
The fact that you are somehow trying to twist this thing to make it sound like I am bashing Korea completely discredits your argument and makes you sound like a 4 year old who lost his pacifier. |
I agree 100% |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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>>does it matter if we really know the whole story?? they broke the law... simple.. no go home and cry to mummy just a little more if it makes u feel any better<<
"Go home and cry to mommy?" Where did that come from?
"Oh -Koreans say it was their fault so it must be true." I guess that's why you're in Korea huh ? "Innocent until proven guilty" just a little too much to comprehend huh? Well at least with an attitude like that, you'll never have to worry about being chosen for jury selection |
why r u are sticking up for a couple of blokes who broke another persons jaw... its irrelevant if he was Korean, they were Canadian. if I was in a biff with some other foreigners and got my jaw broke I'd take it to the full extent of the law. what makes these guys so special?? I cant really work it out... at the end of the day the Korean guy got his jaw broken, not need to feel sorry for the ones doing the damage |
When drunk guys start swinging this sort of thing happens. One of the Canadians could have been defending himself; the two of them might have jumped and beat up the Korean - we don't know what happened and probably never will. |
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