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brento1138
Joined: 17 Nov 2004
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Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 5:15 am Post subject: Is this a good situation? |
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I get paid 1.9 million won a month, at my hagwon, but some monthly expenses really cut into my paycheck. Mainly home-heating expenses are high. My place is pretty big. My roomate & I share a two bedroom top-section of a house, have a nice sized kitchen, living room, and TV room. The place is old, but big. But both of us don't need the space at all.
We pay the monthly costs of the heating (oil) which is 165,000. Then, we also pay a large electricity bill due to electric heat. I paid over 100,000 won last time for my electric bill. So that's like 185,000 won off my pay!! My place isn't even heated much by the oil & electricity, and it's rarely above 17 degrees celcius. You can see your breath in the bathroom.
It's like I'm getting paid 1.72 a month, not to mention the other deductions (health taxes etc). Last month I had to pay the whole oil bill myself, since I had the place to myself.
Does anyone else here pay bills like this??? Should my school cover these and not me? I asked for a new place, but that's a no-go due to the lease being for another 10 months. Unfortunately, my contract says I gotta pay these bills, but I had no idea they'd be so high. I want to know what other people are paying out there.
Do you think I have a bad deal? Should I complain more to my director?  |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 5:34 am Post subject: |
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Your bills sound pretty average for the size of place you have. And no, the employer should not be paying them.
Now that spring is coming, those bills will plumet (unless you run your air con 24/7 all summer). It's a mistake to think you are paying bills month by month. Think about the average you pay per month, spread over a year. |
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VanIslander

Joined: 18 Aug 2003 Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 5:38 am Post subject: Re: Is this a good situation? |
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| My place is pretty big. My roomate & I share a two bedroom top-section of a house, have a nice sized kitchen, living room, and TV room. The place is old, but big. |
Nice.
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| But both of us don't need the space at all. |
Perhaps you both could approach the director to get a smaller place, maybe even that allows the hagwon to save some money in the downsize.
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| some monthly expenses really cut into my paycheck. Mainly home-heating expenses are high. |
The standard contract stipulates free rent but teachers cover utiilities. Don't worry about the heating bill for the next six or seven months. The costs you quote are winter not summer rates!! And by the size of it, air conditioning won't be needed much if it's a cool place.
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| We pay the monthly costs of the heating (oil) which is 165,000 |
Split between two people is 82,500 a month each, but not for the summer half of the year, so it averages out to about 41,250 won each per month for the year, or a bit more. That's more than reasonable.
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| we also pay a large electricity bill due to electric heat. I paid over 100,000 won last time for my electric bill. |
But that's for two months isn't it?
It sounds like you average just under a hundred thousand per month for utilities when averaged out as a monthly figure over the course of the year. That's comparable. Certainly it's ballpark.
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| I get paid 1.9 million won a month, at my hagwon |
On your next contract ask for at least 2.0 mill.
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| Should my school cover these and not me? I asked for a new place, but that's a no-go due to the lease being for another 10 months. |
Did you check out the apartment before you signed your contract? Did you talk to one of the teachers who was there before you?
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| Do you think I have a bad deal? |
Not great but not bad. Some people are paying that amount for a hole in the wall. Enjoy the extra space in your big multi-roomed apartment.
If this is your first year in Korea then simply wait a month. Seriously. By May heating your apartment won't be an issue.
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| Should I complain more to my director? |
You could, but to what end? Is it really that bad in the grand scheme of things? Think about your relationship with your director, how well things are going at work, the advantages of what you have.
And if you are willing to have some of those suffer, or are irritated to the point of bailing, then it's wise to press the issue.
Otherwise lump it and realize that it could be worse.
At least be patient enough to wait another two months for temperatures to rise naturally and heating costs to drop.
IMHO. |
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casey's moon
Joined: 14 Sep 2004 Location: Daejeon
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Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 5:59 am Post subject: |
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Vanislander summed it up nicely.
My first year in Korea was like that too -- our place was always cold and we spent a lot of won heating it. Some buildings weren't built very well, and are drafty and poorly insulated. Where I'm living now (in an apartment complex), it is always warm and we pay less than 10,000 a month for gas! It is insanely cheap compared to the villa I first lived in.
Oh yeah, and are you sure that you and your roommates are operating the boiler properly? Are you keeping your water heated all the time (not a great idea in some buildings)? Are you turning your heat to the "away" setting when you are both away? Turning the boiler off and on is not a good idea, but keeping it on full blast all the time isn't recommended either.
The other thing is, are you enjoying your life in Korea? If you're only here to make money, then perhaps you should be agonising over this and looking for a way to improve the situation. Hopefully you're having a good time and saving some won at the same time. Don't sweat it too much. Spring is almost here, despite today's flurries! |
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hellofaniceguy

Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Location: On your computer screen!
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Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:22 am Post subject: |
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Another suggestion...
have your boiler cleaned. Cost's about 50,000.
You have NO idea when the last time your boiler was inspected and cleaned. Could have been 5 years ago.
Get your school or the apartment owner to call a boiler maintenance person to clean it. It'll run way more efficiently! Burn less oil...save money.
But...if your place is old...it has lots of drafts!
Koreans DO NOT know how to build housing, buildings, etc. They just pour the concrete slabs and put them together. Very shoddy workmanship. No pride at all in making or building something����and they especially don't know how to build energy efficient apartments or housing.
If you are there next winter��come fall��start insulating your windows, etc. Take it upon yourself to look after yourself��cause no one else will. |
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Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 5:55 pm Post subject: Re: Is this a good situation? |
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| brento1138 wrote: |
I get paid 1.9 million won a month, at my hagwon, but some monthly expenses really cut into my paycheck. Mainly home-heating expenses are high. My place is pretty big. My roomate & I share a two bedroom top-section of a house, have a nice sized kitchen, living room, and TV room. The place is old, but big. But both of us don't need the space at all.
We pay the monthly costs of the heating (oil) which is 165,000. Then, we also pay a large electricity bill due to electric heat. I paid over 100,000 won last time for my electric bill. So that's like 185,000 won off my pay!! My place isn't even heated much by the oil & electricity, and it's rarely above 17 degrees celcius. You can see your breath in the bathroom.
It's like I'm getting paid 1.72 a month, not to mention the other deductions (health taxes etc). Last month I had to pay the whole oil bill myself, since I had the place to myself.
Does anyone else here pay bills like this??? Should my school cover these and not me? I asked for a new place, but that's a no-go due to the lease being for another 10 months. Unfortunately, my contract says I gotta pay these bills, but I had no idea they'd be so high. I want to know what other people are paying out there.
Do you think I have a bad deal? Should I complain more to my director?  |
Not that good but just think of it in relative terms... you're a teaching assitant in Montreal, you get $3,000 a semester, it costs just as much to heat your place, and you can still see your breath in the bedroom.
Anyways, after the dent my 50,000 gas bill made in my 2mn salary, your story at least cheered me up a little!
Hopefully your a/c, if you have it, won't be so bad in summer. |
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Toby

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Location: Wedded Bliss
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Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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| You should pay your own bills. Yuor director could be fleecing you on them every month, unless of course he lets you see them... |
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brento1138
Joined: 17 Nov 2004
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Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2005 5:53 am Post subject: Re: Is this a good situation? |
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| Thanks for the replies. It seems like others are in the same boat as myself. But I think when the next winter comes, I'm off to a contract with a nice, warm (modern!) apartment. I'll warn others about this before they come... |
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