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Toby
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Wedded Bliss
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
When drunk guys start swinging this sort of thing happens. One of the Canadians could have been defending himself; the two of them might have jumped and beat up the Korean - we don't know what happened and probably never will. |
Just like the famous 'Helios' story. |
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komtengi
Joined: 30 Sep 2003
Location: Slummin it up in Haebangchon
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| Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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>>does it matter if we really know the whole story?? they broke the law... simple.. no go home and cry to mummy just a little more if it makes u feel any better<<
"Go home and cry to mommy?" Where did that come from?
"Oh -Koreans say it was their fault so it must be true." I guess that's why you're in Korea huh ? "Innocent until proven guilty" just a little too much to comprehend huh? Well at least with an attitude like that, you'll never have to worry about being chosen for jury selection |
why r u are sticking up for a couple of blokes who broke another persons jaw... its irrelevant if he was Korean, they were Canadian. if I was in a biff with some other foreigners and got my jaw broke I'd take it to the full extent of the law. what makes these guys so special?? I cant really work it out... at the end of the day the Korean guy got his jaw broken, not need to feel sorry for the ones doing the damage |
Because maybe it wasn't them who started the fight. If you start a biff as you call it with me and because I know how to defend myself, in the process of defending myself I happen to break your jaw-why should I be held responsible. Look-I'm not saying they didn't start it-I'm saying we don't know and regardless it should be innocent until proven guilty.
This whole thread started with a poll about would you help them and I was shocked that over 80% were a flat out "NO". I've been with people here who have been on both sides of this situation. When they were at fault, I did my best to convince them they were wrong. But on a couple of occasions when they were under attack, I had no problem standing beside them. That's the way it should be no matter where you are.
Ahh hell, why am I even wasting my time replying to this? You either get it or you don't. |
you have no idea of the law here in Korea... self defense.. haha. Its irrelevant who starts the fight (believe this has been pointed out at least 10 times before). Ive been on the end of two incidents with the police, both of which I was hit first. Both times I won the physical confrontation, and both times I had to pay out money to the other party. The last time I got into it I got roughed up pretty bad, but hurt two of the others even worse... lost teeth, broken arm, broken nose... cost me 10 million. Maybe I should put a post asking for back donations from a year or two ago too.  |
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poker player
Joined: 27 Sep 2004
Location: On the river
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| Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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| I choose not to do that but if you really believe that Korea is not a 1st world country with justice available to all then I understand your condescending ad hominem approach. |
You may not be from Nova Scotia but it certainly sounds like you are a card carying member of the Unqualified Club based on your reading comprehension skills.
What i have stated is a cold, hard, empirical fact. Don't believe me? Take a stroll down to your local Police Box and have a little pow-wow with Police Chief Kim. Ask him about self defense laws in korea. Ask him about the notion of "innocent until proven guilty" in an assault case. How I "categorize" these laws is completely irrelevant.
The fact that you are somehow trying to twist this thing to make it sound like I am bashing Korea completely discredits your argument and makes you sound like a 4 year old who lost his pacifier. |
ROTFLMAO-2 ad hominems in a row and I'm the 4 year old? I've chosen to try and give these guys the benefit of the doubt for now but all you want to do is take shots at me because we disagree. We're not going to change each other's minds so just accept it-but why the attacks? Slow day at the PC Bang? |
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gmat
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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I am not sure why people are giving the two Canadians the benefit of the doubt. As I have mentioned in other posts, one of the guys involved is named Jason Beaton. This guy, while apparently a nice guy according to my sister who knows him, LOVES TO FIGHT when he is drinking. He is a notorious fighter and is very good at it.
In his younger days while playing hockey in Major Junior in the OHL he was an enforcer/goon. This is a very high level of hockey, one step from the Pros. In junior hockey his job would be to fight other goons from other teams, avery entertaining ritual in Canadian junior hockey. These guys are tough nuts, often with a few screws loose. If memory serves me correctly he was banned for life from that league for his violent behavior.
As I mentioned my sister says he is a great guy when not drinking, but I remember hearing stories about him 10 years ago getting in fights/beating people up on a weekly basis.
What surprises me is that he has managed to stay in in Korea for as long as he has. The story mentions he arrived in 2003. Maybe he has mellowed as he got older, but that would surprise me.
So I would hazard a guess that he is at least 50% responsible for this incident, if not more. If I was a betting man and had to choose 0%, 50% or 100% responsible, I would definitely choose the latter.
I feel bad for the guy but actions have consequences. |
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Pyongshin Sangja
Joined: 20 Apr 2003
Location: I love baby!
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| Someone over on the Marmot said that this is a different Jason Beaton. Apparently the hockey player, OHL goon guy died 7 months ago in a car crash in Canada. This guy may have played hockey but he is a different person. |
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Lunar Groove Gardener
Joined: 05 Jan 2005
Location: 1987 Subaru
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When I stopped drinking, I stopped getting into drunken brawls. When I stopped getting into drunken brawls I stopped waking up in the back of my van wondering why I was all bloody and confused about the events of the previous night. Could be that waking up sober has some surprising and far reaching consequences. I don't think there is any valid presumption of "fair treatment" in Korea's treatment of foreigners in such instances, as per one's "western" perspective.(so you'd best leave that at home Opie) In most cultures you get in trouble for this kind of thing. We've all taken some amount of grief from adjoshis. You take your chances . You pay your own tickets.
Not everyone is cut out to be a famous drunk. This is just natural selection in action. They are probably the very best of the crop as far as illegal English teachers go....they should have their own, "Really Nice Drunk Brawlers School of Englishee"! |
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Deconstructor
Joined: 30 Dec 2003
Location: Canada
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| Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2005 9:55 am Post subject: |
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| No matter what's been taking place, no one deserves to rot in jail. Let them have their day in court, pay a fine and/or a few days in jail, and let the boys go. |
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Bozo Yoroshiku
Joined: 23 Feb 2005
Location: Outside ???'s house with a pair of binoculars
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| Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2005 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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| no one deserves to rot in jail |
They're not "rotting" in jail (a bit melodramatic don't you think?). Foreign inmates are treated FAR better than Korean inmates. They are not even housed in the same section as all the "regular" inmates. The boys have no worries about being mistreated. They will have their day in court, negotiate compensation, pay it, and be home on the next plane.
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Deconstructor
Joined: 30 Dec 2003
Location: Canada
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| Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2005 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Bozo Yoroshiku wrote: |
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| no one deserves to rot in jail |
They're not "rotting" in jail (a bit melodramatic don't you think?). Foreign inmates are treated FAR better than Korean inmates. They are not even housed in the same section as all the "regular" inmates. The boys have no worries about being mistreated. They will have their day in court, negotiate compensation, pay it, and be home on the next plane.
--boz |
Hey, if what you're saying is true, then I guess the case is closed. |
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gmat
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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| Someone over on the Marmot said that this is a different Jason Beaton. Apparently the hockey player, OHL goon guy died 7 months ago in a car crash in Canada. This guy may have played hockey but he is a different person. |
Yeah, someone wrote that at the Marmot, and I called the guy on it BECAUSE MY SISTER KNOWS THE GUY. She was very surprised at the fictious report of his death which proved to be Bull ****.
I asked the poster at Marmot's to clear up a few fact about his post and he sheepishly admitted that he had LIED when he posted that piece of **** information at Marmot's.
A very poor attempt at protecting Jason Beaton's reputation. In the age of the internt you can not get away with posting such blatant lies. Just ask Dan Rather. 
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Pyongshin Sangja
Joined: 20 Apr 2003
Location: I love baby!
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| Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2005 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Ha. Fine. Beaton! Two minutes for looking so good. |
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