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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| ok, maybe not whining. I'm mr. exageration today I guess. |
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buymybook
Joined: 21 Feb 2005
Location: Telluride
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| Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2005 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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Seriously, can we try for a moment to be positive about this place? Yes, it's different from home. Yes, there are cultural differences. What did you expect?
I have been living in Korea for over a year now, and I have been an intermittent poster/browser on/of this forum. The only constant I have noticed on this board is the overwhelming negativity about South Korea that it contains. Why are you here if you hate it so much? Go home! Stop complaining, for the love of god. Did you come to Korea so you could complain about the cultural differences, or did you come here to embrace the differences and learn from them?
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I was going to quote Tiger bear or someone else because I just see where the incident was. The title should be "Tiger Bear life on the subway." The reason I quoted you was because I am SOOOO SICK of people like you telling other people what to do. If someone wants to go home they will, you or anybody else doesn't need to tell them what to do. You sound like the typical wanna have power Korean male! We are free to stay and live where we wish!!! |
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UnJef
Joined: 03 Jun 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 1:17 am Post subject: |
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| UnJef wrote: |
Seriously, can we try for a moment to be positive about this place? Yes, it's different from home. Yes, there are cultural differences. What did you expect?
I have been living in Korea for over a year now, and I have been an intermittent poster/browser on/of this forum. The only constant I have noticed on this board is the overwhelming negativity about South Korea that it contains. Why are you here if you hate it so much? Go home! Stop complaining, for the love of god. Did you come to Korea so you could complain about the cultural differences, or did you come here to embrace the differences and learn from them?
My twenty won. |
I was going to quote Tiger bear or someone else because I just see where the incident was. The title should be "Tiger Bear life on the subway." The reason I quoted you was because I am SOOOO SICK of people like you telling other people what to do. If someone wants to go home they will, you or anybody else doesn't need to tell them what to do. You sound like the typical wanna have power Korean male! We are free to stay and live where we wish!!! |
Wow. You totally missed my point. I was not telling people to go home, I am suggesting that if people are so constantly annoyed by Koreans and Korean culture that maybe this isn't the best place for them to be living.
Yes, of course you are "free to stay and live where [you] wish!!!" I never indicated otherwise.
It's called context, my friend. Look it up. (Only if you want, of course... you are free to understand and misunderstand as you wish!!!) |
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buymybook
Joined: 21 Feb 2005
Location: Telluride
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| Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 1:55 am Post subject: |
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| UnJef wrote: |
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| UnJef wrote: |
Seriously, can we try for a moment to be positive about this place? Yes, it's different from home. Yes, there are cultural differences. What did you expect?
I have been living in Korea for over a year now, and I have been an intermittent poster/browser on/of this forum. The only constant I have noticed on this board is the overwhelming negativity about South Korea that it contains. Why are you here if you hate it so much? Go home! Stop complaining, for the love of god. Did you come to Korea so you could complain about the cultural differences, or did you come here to embrace the differences and learn from them?
My twenty won. |
I was going to quote Tiger bear or someone else because I just see where the incident was. The title should be "Tiger Bear life on the subway." The reason I quoted you was because I am SOOOO SICK of people like you telling other people what to do. If someone wants to go home they will, you or anybody else doesn't need to tell them what to do. You sound like the typical wanna have power Korean male! We are free to stay and live where we wish!!! |
Wow. You totally missed my point. I was not telling people to go home, I am suggesting that if people are so constantly annoyed by Koreans and Korean culture that maybe this isn't the best place for them to be living.
Yes, of course you are "free to stay and live where [you] wish!!!" I never indicated otherwise.
It's called context, my friend. Look it up. (Only if you want, of course... you are free to understand and misunderstand as you wish!!!) |
Totally missed your point, give me a break. Context my butt! You state the one constant you see is blah blah blah. The one constant I see is people like you telling others to go home. And, "Hate" who said hate? I have complained about this place but I don't hate it. Don't tell me you have never complained.
Just quite telling or at the very least suggesting people go home, you got no power! |
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indytrucks
Joined: 09 Apr 2003
Location: The Shelf
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| Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 2:05 am Post subject: |
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| UnJef wrote: |
Seriously, can we try for a moment to be positive about this place? Yes, it's different from home. Yes, there are cultural differences. What did you expect?
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Sadly, applying that kind of logic would render this board redundant. |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 3:48 am Post subject: |
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| indytrucks wrote: |
| UnJef wrote: |
Seriously, can we try for a moment to be positive about this place? Yes, it's different from home. Yes, there are cultural differences. What did you expect?
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Sadly, applying that kind of logic would render this board redundant. |
Complaining is one of the things we do here. Not all. If the complaint is well-made, well founded and something that others recognize immediately then it's a genuine, valid complaint.
Also, the art of complaining well is best done with humour and balance. What we're complaining about probably goes on in other countries too. Make sure you get that in or you can come across like a Korea-hater.
Pointing out the cultural differences between your country and Korea is not whining. Calling Korea backward because the cheese you like isn't in the local supermarket is.
Some posters on this board are so quick to jump on a complaining post. If they got their way many posts on Dave's would look like this,
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| Jeez, somethings really bugging me..It's really getting me down because I can't understand why this is happening...I'd like to tell you about it and ask your opinion but I don't want to appear like a whiner....God! I could explode if I don't get this off my chest...but honestly, I love Korea! Really! I do. |
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riverboy
Joined: 03 Jun 2003
Location: Incheon
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| Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 4:11 am Post subject: |
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Damn Korean Cheese!
On the flip side the Kimchi Rocks.
I am of the opinion, that a good quantity of the people that regulary whine and moan about Korea, are the same ones that were equally miserable in their native country. They use society as a scapegoat and a means to vent thier inner anger.
Cheers on you Tiger Bear. If more people would play the friendly foreigner, other than the rude indifferent arse I see on the street, Perhaps the negative stereotypes arising would not be as bad as they are. |
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indytrucks
Joined: 09 Apr 2003
Location: The Shelf
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| Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 4:19 am Post subject: |
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| Complaining is one of the things we do here. Not all. If the complaint is well-made, well founded and something that others recognize immediately then it's a genuine, valid complaint. |
Eamo, your posts are generally pretty sound, but come on. The complaints that are made around here are seldom well made, well founded or otherwise. A good portion are trolls, relapsing "reformed" trolls or socks, and you've been around here long enough to know it.
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| Also, the art of complaining well is best done with humour and balance. What we're complaining about probably goes on in other countries too. Make sure you get that in or you can come across like a Korea-hater. |
In theory this is fine, but in reality this seldom happens on this board. And you've been around here long enough to know that, too.
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| Pointing out the cultural differences between your country and Korea is not whining. Calling Korea backward because the cheese you like isn't in the local supermarket is. |
Again, in theory this is fine, but "cultural difference" is a very subjective term around these parts. And again, you've been around here long enough to know this.
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| Some posters on this board are so quick to jump on a complaining post. If they got their way many posts on Dave's would look like this, |
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| Jeez, somethings really bugging me..It's really getting me down because I can't understand why this is happening...I'd like to tell you about it and ask your opinion but I don't want to appear like a whiner....God! I could explode if I don't get this off my chest...but honestly, I love Korea! Really! I do. |
Or, alternatively, as many do get their way on Dave's, a good many posts end up looking like this:
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| Jeez, I've had a crap day today. I've been here four months now and this isn't working out like I'd hoped. My job sucks, my students are little monsters, this place is too crowded and too stinky, I'm lonely, and my director is a bastard. Friggin' Korea and Koreans and their Dokdo and their kimchi that ails every conceivable illness and the shovy ajummas on the subway. They suck. I hate this. I know! I need to vent my frustrations, so I'll post something that will be sure to get the rest of this board going! Something that I know everyone will agree with me on ... a backwards Korean character trait! Yeah! Not something too obviously trollsome, but something sure to fan the flames ... like their spitting or their xenophobic comments or their chauvinism or that they eat dogs! That'll make me feel better! |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 4:29 am Post subject: |
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Jeez, I've had a crap day today. I've been here four months now and this isn't working out like I'd hoped. My job sucks, my students are little monsters, this place is too crowded and too stinky, I'm lonely, and my director is a *beep*. Friggin' Korea and Koreans and their Dokdo and their kimchi that ails every conceivable illness and the shovy ajummas on the subway. They suck. I hate this. I know! I need to vent my frustrations, so I'll post something that will be sure to get the rest of this board going! Something that I know everyone will agree with me on ... a backwards Korean character trait! Yeah! Not something too obviously trollsome, but something sure to fan the flames ... like their spitting or their xenophobic comments or their chauvinism or that they eat dogs! That'll make me feel better! |
Yes, but Indy, I'm talking about not doing this! That was the message of my last post. Complaning in this manner is trite and unsophistcated. I certainly don't think I do this and most of the posters who I pay attention to don't either.
Complaining in a more informed, artful way is a valid post to make in these forums. |
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canadian_in_korea
Joined: 20 Jun 2004
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 4:32 am Post subject: |
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I think in a lot of ways....there is a general rule that applies. "When Something good happens nobody remembers, when something bad happens nobody forgets"....can you tell me what good experiences you have had on your "home" country where someone went out of their way to help you? How about some bad experiences? I'll bet you remember the bad ones very quickly...but it takes a little longer for the good ones to come to mind. Its the same thing here in Korea....for myself I find that its a balance....when something bad/annoying happens...not long after something good will happen....even if the bad outwieghs the good...I always try to focus on the good stuff... I do have to say, that my experience here has been quite good compared with some of the others I have read about. And when I came to Korea....I knew I was only going to be here for one year....perhaps I would focus more on the negative if I knew I would be living with that for many years to come. |
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indytrucks
Joined: 09 Apr 2003
Location: The Shelf
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| Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 4:35 am Post subject: |
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Eamo, I understand the message of your post, but what I'm saying is that a good portion of the complaints that are made on this board are done in that manner. I would say that quite a few aren't done in an "informed, artful way". And you know it. You have been around here long enough to ignore it, but a lot haven't. And so this board continues in the same trite, unsophisticated circle.
That's all I was saying. |
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The Lemon
Joined: 11 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 4:40 am Post subject: |
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| Some posters on this board are so quick to jump on a complaining post. |
Yeah, but Team Must-Crush-Korea is also lightning-quick to jump on a positive post. See what followed Tiger's OP, above. Cuts both ways on this polarized board. |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 4:53 am Post subject: |
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Sure, I agree there's many a moronic post on this forum but it all adds to the mix. If everybody was reasonable all the time it would get a bit boring.
I've been mooching around on this forum for a bit over 2 years now (not that long really) and I've heard just about every reasonable argument and counter-argument about this paradox known as Corea (which includes Dokdo). I really don't mind the trolling or whiney posts as I don't take this board too seriously.
I think it's fun when a guy like Coffeecup (remember him?) asks should he bring knuckledusters and flickknives to Korea for protection.
Or the recent poster who thinks the height of cruelty is to own a puppy in Korea. Madness but funny.
This board will continue to include whining, complaining, trolling and the rest of it. I've learned to like that. Kimchi would be just boring old cabbage without those crazy guys red pepper and fish sauce to liven it up. |
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skinsk05
Joined: 09 Mar 2005
Location: Jeonju
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| Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 4:53 am Post subject: positive |
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Don't doubt the power of your own mind, the power to choose your own reactions. You reep what you sow. When you change the way you look at things, you change the things you look at. You have all the power to change things-- but the caveat is, you can only change your own way of thinking. The more convinced you are that what you know, your assumptions, are true, the less open you will be to new experiences and new ways of thinking.
I hate to see positive people being drawn into a messy forum. Continue to tell your wonderful stories, I've learned many important lessons from seemingly inconsequential meetings. Sometimes, I've learned from 2nd hand stories, as I hope some of mine have travelled.
I'd be up for a positive thread. I just don't see living and working here as such a hardship. . . |
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riverboy
Joined: 03 Jun 2003
Location: Incheon
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| Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 4:55 am Post subject: |
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| Yeah, but Team Must-Crush-Korea is also lightning-quick to jump on a positive post. See what followed Tiger's OP, above. Cuts both ways on this polarized board. |
Well said Lemon. I really think most of the Anti Korea Brigade is just as guilty as the hyped up Anti Way guk Groups of Korean Netizens right now. |
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