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weatherman
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
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I am not so sure the number of places open for students will be dropping. Schools will be absorbed by other schools. I don't think you will see many 'shells' of campuses. You will have one school with two campuses. Be surprised if they really shut down a school such as Mokpo National University, out in the sticks. It will be schools like the National Farming College that merge with other schools.
I maybe just talking out of my ass, but that is the way I see it. |
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Bozo Yoroshiku
Joined: 23 Feb 2005
Location: Outside ???'s house with a pair of binoculars
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| Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Yes, I pity them all. But a university education has been much degraded in Korea. Yes, these children work their little butts off to enter a university, but once they enter the hallowed halls of academe, they are essentially empty shells, robbed of a real childhood, incapable of relating to the opposite gender, capable only of memorizing, unable to think for themselves, or to be creative. No wonder that those families who can afford it are heading off to western countries to bear their children there, not only to escape the future conscription of their sons, but also to get out from under the tyranny of phony 'rote' education. |
True or not... God, that's a depressing way to look at it. |
Okay, here's the silver ling.... once in university, they can't fail!
I'm sure everyone here who's taught at the university level has stories of administrators ordering them to change a failing grade (or ordering a bell curve marking system that only allows 1 or 2 fails, if that, in total), even for dorks that never come to class. And they wonder why their NUMBER ONE UNIVERISTY IN THE UNIVERSE S! N! U! is not even ranked in the top 150 in the world.
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Bozo Yoroshiku wrote: |
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| coolsage wrote: |
| Yes, I pity them all. But a university education has been much degraded in Korea. Yes, these children work their little butts off to enter a university, but once they enter the hallowed halls of academe, they are essentially empty shells, robbed of a real childhood, incapable of relating to the opposite gender, capable only of memorizing, unable to think for themselves, or to be creative. No wonder that those families who can afford it are heading off to western countries to bear their children there, not only to escape the future conscription of their sons, but also to get out from under the tyranny of phony 'rote' education. |
True or not... God, that's a depressing way to look at it. |
Okay, here's the silver ling.... once in university, they can't fail!
I'm sure everyone here who's taught at the university level has stories of administrators ordering them to change a failing grade (or ordering a bell curve marking system that only allows 1 or 2 fails, if that, in total), even for dorks that never come to class. And they wonder why their NUMBER ONE UNIVERISTY IN THE UNIVERSE S! N! U! is not even ranked in the top 150 in the world.
--boz |
Not true. We do have quotas for the grades, but it's not the kind of quota you seem to believe. We can't give an A to more than 20% of the class. In fact, we can fail as many as we want. You'd understand if you had taught at a university that has for policy to give failing grades to students who miss more than 25% of the lessons. Besides that, we can fail students for not taking tests, having a low score, and "other reasons".
Korean professors are probably under more pressure to pass the students than I am, but they do fail them. |
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buymybook
Joined: 21 Feb 2005
Location: Telluride
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| Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2005 4:47 am Post subject: |
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| Bozo Yoroshiku wrote: |
| NateTeaches wrote: |
| coolsage wrote: |
| Yes, I pity them all. But a university education has been much degraded in Korea. Yes, these children work their little butts off to enter a university, but once they enter the hallowed halls of academe, they are essentially empty shells, robbed of a real childhood, incapable of relating to the opposite gender, capable only of memorizing, unable to think for themselves, or to be creative. No wonder that those families who can afford it are heading off to western countries to bear their children there, not only to escape the future conscription of their sons, but also to get out from under the tyranny of phony 'rote' education. |
True or not... God, that's a depressing way to look at it. |
Okay, here's the silver ling.... once in university, they can't fail!
I'm sure everyone here who's taught at the university level has stories of administrators ordering them to change a failing grade (or ordering a bell curve marking system that only allows 1 or 2 fails, if that, in total), even for dorks that never come to class. And they wonder why their NUMBER ONE UNIVERISTY IN THE UNIVERSE S! N! U! is not even ranked in the top 150 in the world.
--boz |
Who is "they?" I suppose you are generalizing that all Korean people think S.N.U. is "their NUMBER ONE UNIVERSITY" best in S.Korean. If you are, you are wrong. S.N.U. is not No. 1. In a recent article in the Korea Herald S.N.U. was 7th in only one category that the Herald mentioned. It mentioned at least 5 other categories. the article also mentioned their finding/stats may beget a debate, so let's get it on! |
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Bozo Yoroshiku
Joined: 23 Feb 2005
Location: Outside ???'s house with a pair of binoculars
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| Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2005 5:01 am Post subject: |
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| buymybook wrote: |
| Who is "they?" I suppose you are generalizing that all Korean people think S.N.U. is "their NUMBER ONE UNIVERSITY" best in S.Korean. If you are, you are wrong. S.N.U. is not No. 1. In a recent article in the Korea Herald S.N.U. was 7th in only one category that the Herald mentioned. It mentioned at least 5 other categories. the article also mentioned their finding/stats may beget a debate, so let's get it on! |
You are comparing apples to oranges. Ask any guy on the street which univeristy is the best in Korea. I betcha they say SNU. The articles you refer to (which I also saw) point out an actual quantitative comparison of the universities (similar to the Canadian rankings in Macleans magazine every year).
The COMPARISON showed that SNU wasn't the best in Korea. I was only referring to people's perceptions of which was the best.
--boz |
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ajuma
Joined: 18 Feb 2003
Location: Anywere but Seoul!!
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| Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 5:17 am Post subject: |
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| Deconstructor wrote: |
| The females are effectively pushed out of the work force at the age of 27 to get married, |
Are you still living in the 90's? I don't know any women who are getting pushed out of the work force once they get married or even once they have kids.... |
This is the second post from you that's made me think "What planet are you living on???" (The other was in the Mrs/Ms thread...that you've never heard anyone use "Ms".)
OF COURSE women still get forced out of the job market when they get married. Even at our university (and at several others that I know of), secretaries can only work for 3 years (used to be 5) before getting the boot. They're expected to be married (or at least close to it!) by then! |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 5:48 am Post subject: |
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ajuma,
The women should be required to serve in the military.
Women aspire to be housewives without any of the housework
By Sarah Womack, November 5, 2004
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/05/11/nwife11.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/05/11/ixhome.html
Mothers are rejecting equality in the workplace and prefer the idea of becoming full-time housewives - but not ones who actually do housework.
Instead they want to play the "role" of housewife with a little help from, for instance, a nanny, and someone who does the ironing. |
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desultude
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf
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| Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 6:12 am Post subject: |
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| Hollywoodaction wrote: |
| Bozo Yoroshiku wrote: |
| NateTeaches wrote: |
| coolsage wrote: |
| Yes, I pity them all. But a university education has been much degraded in Korea. Yes, these children work their little butts off to enter a university, but once they enter the hallowed halls of academe, they are essentially empty shells, robbed of a real childhood, incapable of relating to the opposite gender, capable only of memorizing, unable to think for themselves, or to be creative. No wonder that those families who can afford it are heading off to western countries to bear their children there, not only to escape the future conscription of their sons, but also to get out from under the tyranny of phony 'rote' education. |
True or not... God, that's a depressing way to look at it. |
Okay, here's the silver ling.... once in university, they can't fail!
I'm sure everyone here who's taught at the university level has stories of administrators ordering them to change a failing grade (or ordering a bell curve marking system that only allows 1 or 2 fails, if that, in total), even for dorks that never come to class. And they wonder why their NUMBER ONE UNIVERISTY IN THE UNIVERSE S! N! U! is not even ranked in the top 150 in the world.
--boz |
Not true. We do have quotas for the grades, but it's not the kind of quota you seem to believe. We can't give an A to more than 20% of the class. In fact, we can fail as many as we want. You'd understand if you had taught at a university that has for policy to give failing grades to students who miss more than 25% of the lessons. Besides that, we can fail students for not taking tests, having a low score, and "other reasons".
Korean professors are probably under more pressure to pass the students than I am, but they do fail them. |
Where I teach, a student misses five classes ( we meet twice a week) and they fail. Automatically. |
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desultude
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf
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| Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 6:12 am Post subject: |
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| Hollywoodaction wrote: |
| Bozo Yoroshiku wrote: |
| NateTeaches wrote: |
| coolsage wrote: |
| Yes, I pity them all. But a university education has been much degraded in Korea. Yes, these children work their little butts off to enter a university, but once they enter the hallowed halls of academe, they are essentially empty shells, robbed of a real childhood, incapable of relating to the opposite gender, capable only of memorizing, unable to think for themselves, or to be creative. No wonder that those families who can afford it are heading off to western countries to bear their children there, not only to escape the future conscription of their sons, but also to get out from under the tyranny of phony 'rote' education. |
True or not... God, that's a depressing way to look at it. |
Okay, here's the silver ling.... once in university, they can't fail!
I'm sure everyone here who's taught at the university level has stories of administrators ordering them to change a failing grade (or ordering a bell curve marking system that only allows 1 or 2 fails, if that, in total), even for dorks that never come to class. And they wonder why their NUMBER ONE UNIVERISTY IN THE UNIVERSE S! N! U! is not even ranked in the top 150 in the world.
--boz |
Not true. We do have quotas for the grades, but it's not the kind of quota you seem to believe. We can't give an A to more than 20% of the class. In fact, we can fail as many as we want. You'd understand if you had taught at a university that has for policy to give failing grades to students who miss more than 25% of the lessons. Besides that, we can fail students for not taking tests, having a low score, and "other reasons".
Korean professors are probably under more pressure to pass the students than I am, but they do fail them. |
Where I teach, a student misses five classes ( we meet twice a week) and they fail. Automatically. |
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ajuma
Joined: 18 Feb 2003
Location: Anywere but Seoul!!
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| Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 6:18 am Post subject: |
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| Real Reality wrote: |
ajuma,
The women should be required to serve in the military.
Women aspire to be housewives without any of the housework
By Sarah Womack, November 5, 2004
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/05/11/nwife11.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/05/11/ixhome.html
Mothers are rejecting equality in the workplace and prefer the idea of becoming full-time housewives - but not ones who actually do housework.
Instead they want to play the "role" of housewife with a little help from, for instance, a nanny, and someone who does the ironing. |
 Did you post this on BOTH of my threads for a reason?
I agree that woman should serve in the military. Maybe not the "shoot-to-kill, defend our country" military, but I DO think that girls should do at least one year of compulsory service...perhaps in orphanages, nursing homes, homeless shelters and the like. It may make Korean princesses a little less "princess-y". I MUCH prefer teaching guys after they've finished their service than teaching guys before they go in! They're more mature and work harder...and I think it would be the same for women. |
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