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Manner of Speaking
Joined: 09 Jan 2003
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| mithridates wrote: |
What?! What a stupid map. |
One problem with maps like these is that they classify areas as first, second or third world based only on national boundaries. It would be interesting to see a map of the world that classified municipalities as to whether they are first, second or third world. Obviously such a map would be very detailed and "busy", but it would illustrate things like:
* many areas in developed countries (native reservations in Canada and the US, parts of southern Italy, northern Spain, eastern Turkey) have virtually third-world living conditions. You can see the map arbitrarily assigns Greenland to the third world, but equivalent areas in Canada, Alaska, Iceland and Spitsbergen are classified as first world.
* many areas and cities in developing countries (Singapore, Punjab, the UAE, Brunei, Nauru, etc.) have virtually first-world economies.
The website that produced this map, itself, doesn't even have very clear definitions for the different categories, and mixes political and economic criteria together rather illogically. The Czech Republic, Poland and Hungary are classified as second world, even though they are now members of the EU (? unless I'm mistaken.) Mongolia is classified as third world, even though by their definition it is/was clearly within the Soviet/Russian sphere of influence. Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgystan and Turkmenistan are classified as third world even though they are former Soviet republics.
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ulsanchris
Joined: 19 Jun 2003
Location: take a wild guess
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 5:02 am Post subject: |
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I was talking about this with a couple of korean guys awhile back. They didn't want to open the doors to immigration. Korea being one country culture and all that stuff. We also talked about the shortage of women. They suggested bringing in women from other countries.
I would classify korea as a developing country. Go into the country side and you see a different korea from the larger metropolitan cities. |
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tzechuk
Joined: 20 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 6:00 am Post subject: |
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| ulsanchris wrote: |
| They suggested bringing in women from other countries. |
They are doing it though. Men in countryside, especially farmers, are having to marry women from Russia / The Philipines / Malaysia etc because Korean women would not marry them as they don't want to work for a living on the farms..... they just want to be city dwellers with all mod-cons close by and that they don't want to live with the in-laws etc.. My husband told me this, so I am pretty sure it's true. |
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Guri Guy
Joined: 07 Sep 2003
Location: Bamboo Island
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 7:40 am Post subject: |
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| Korea is not a first world country. They have said it so themselves. They classify themselves as a developing country in order to keep their unfair trade practices. Korea is trying to have their cake and eat it too. |
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Swiss James
Joined: 26 Nov 2003
Location: Shanghai
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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Korea behind China in terms of development? I've heard it all now.
The point behind a falling birthrate is not that it would be bad for the population to go down, but that it would result in a top heavy populace with not enough workers to support the old age types. |
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paperbag princess
Joined: 07 Mar 2004
Location: veggie hell
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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i don't consider korea to be a developed nation, my students do. just because you produce lots of lcd screens and motherboards, doesn't mean that you're developed.
the point however, is that their birthrate cannot support their pension system and will cause some serious problems in the future. i just find it ridiculous that middle-aged korean men could think that women who were abondoned because of their sex would want to come back here and help procreate.
as far as "bringing in women from other places" is concerned, isn't that immigration? |
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desultude
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, the problem is about an aging population. This problem can be ameliorated by not terminating people when they are in their forties! This may have made sense when life expectancy was not so high, and when there were lots of young adults needing the jobs. Also it made more sense when the elderly were supported by families.
For a Confucian country that is supposed to value age, the treatment of older workers in Korea is not good. Changing these policies would at least postpone any crisis caused by a declining population. |
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Harin
Joined: 03 May 2004
Location: Garden of Eden
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Swiss James wrote: |
Korea behind China in terms of development? I've heard it all now.
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dogbert
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: Killbox 90210
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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| tzechuk wrote: |
| ulsanchris wrote: |
| They suggested bringing in women from other countries. |
They are doing it though. Men in countryside, especially farmers, are having to marry women from Russia / The Philipines / Malaysia etc because Korean women would not marry them as they don't want to work for a living on the farms..... they just want to be city dwellers with all mod-cons close by and that they don't want to live with the in-laws etc.. My husband told me this, so I am pretty sure it's true. |
They're bringing in women from China too. |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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| That site is outdated. |
Countries of the Third World
countries of the third world, developing countries
http://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/third_world.htm
South Korea - Taehan-min'guk
People:
Nationality: Noun and adjective--Korean(s).
Population 47,925,000 (estimate as of July 2003)
http://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/korea_south.htm
This page was last updated on: Sunday, 27-Mar-2005 21:17:10 CEST
List of Countries of the First World
The term "First World" refers to so called developed, capitalist, industrial countries, roughly, nations within the United States' sphere of influence. Member states of NATO.
http://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/first_world.htm
List of Countries of the Second World
The term "Second World" refers to the (former) communist-socialist, industrial states, the territory and sphere of influence of the Union of Soviet Socialists Republic.
http://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/second_world.htm
List of Countries of the Third World
The Third World, a term often used to describe the developing countries of Africa, Asia and Latin America.
http://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/third_world.htm
List of Least Developed Countries
http://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/least_developed_countries.htm |
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xtchr
Joined: 23 Nov 2004
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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There is still a gender imbalance apparent, at least in the rural area where I am working. Yesterday at one school in the morning I taught four 6th grade classes, each class had 33 children, but each class consisted of 21 boys and only 12 girls. I asked a Korean teacher about it and she just said "Confucianism - boys are better"  |
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Chillin' Villain
Joined: 13 Mar 2003
Location: Goo Row
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| Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 12:50 am Post subject: |
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| kangnamdragon wrote: |
| That site is outdated. |
That site itself (the one with the dumb map and list) even acknowledges that the nomenclature is outdated:
| La 3rd World Site Extraordinaire wrote: |
The First, the Second, and the Third World.
A rough, and it's safe to say, outdated model of the geopolitical world from the time of the cold war.
There is no official definition of the first, second, and the third world. |
(My italics added... Y'think Italy had anything to do with italics? There's an effin' thesis paper, right there.)
Of course maybe that statement is outdated, too, in which case...
..oooh, my head's startin to hurt.
I think I may have achieved nirvana or reached another dimension for a second there!  |
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canadian_in_korea
Joined: 20 Jun 2004
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 1:00 am Post subject: |
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| So do tell.....exactly what makes a country a "first world" country..? |
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