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Swiss James

Joined: 26 Nov 2003 Location: Shanghai
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Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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I like the way they act on airplanes. Especially how they ignore flight attendants' pleas to turn off their cell phones and how they make a mad rush for the exits once the plane has touched down.
I like the way parents let their kids run ape-shyte wild at restaurants, screaming their little hearts out, much to the delight of their proud units. |
I like the way you really follow the spirit of a thread. How about Jews, do yo like anything about Jews? How about black people, no redeeming features for them either? |
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periwinkle
Joined: 08 Feb 2003
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Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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1. Loyalty: my finace stands by me, and there is no doubt in my mind that he will ever waver.
2. Hospitality: every time I went to my pvt. students' houses (pro bono, of COURSE), their mothers were always trying to feed me. They really went out of their way. Now, even when a service guy comes to my house (cable guy or whatever), I feel obliged to at least offer them a beverage. |
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adventureman
Joined: 18 Feb 2003
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Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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| I like the way parents let their kids run ape-shyte wild at restaurants, screaming their little hearts out, much to the delight of their proud units. |
Do you work with kids every day Swiss James?
Im afraid i too have to "break with the magical chummy spirit" of this thread for just a moment to point the fact that this has affected to me on THREE seperate occasions in restaurants here, each time almost completely disrupting and, in effect, ruining my meal. Its what ive found to be the SINGLE most annoying aspect of going out to eat in Korea. Im glad somebody else finnally pointed out how much of an aggrivation this is when it happens.
(huddles under his desk in fear preparing to weather the oncoming wrath of the aplologists) |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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| adventureman wrote: |
| Khunopie wrote: |
| I like the way parents let their kids run ape-shyte wild at restaurants, screaming their little hearts out, much to the delight of their proud units. |
Do you work with kids every day Swiss James?
Im afraid i too have to "break with the magical chummy spirit" of this thread for just a moment to point the fact that this has affected to me on THREE seperate occasions in restaurants here, each time almost completely disrupting and, in effect, ruining my meal. Its what ive found to be the SINGLE most annoying aspect of going out to eat in Korea. Im glad somebody else finnally pointed out how much of an aggrivation this is when it happens.
(huddles under his desk in fear preparing to weather the oncoming wrath of the aplologists) |
I have to agree that parental control, err, adult control in general of kids here seems totally lacking most times. I put the "laissez faire" attitude down to Overworked parents putting family training low on their list of priorities.
But does it result in more confident, well balanced adults? - ie, they find their own boundaries, rather than having psychological behavioral restrictions placed on them from an earlly age. |
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Khunopie

Joined: 21 Oct 2003 Location: Fucking, Austria (pronounced "Fooking")
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Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 11:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Swiss James wrote: |
| Khunopie wrote: |
I like the way they act on airplanes. Especially how they ignore flight attendants' pleas to turn off their cell phones and how they make a mad rush for the exits once the plane has touched down.
I like the way parents let their kids run ape-shyte wild at restaurants, screaming their little hearts out, much to the delight of their proud units. |
I like the way you really follow the spirit of a thread. How about Jews, do yo like anything about Jews? How about black people, no redeeming features for them either? |
I follow the spirit of freedom of speech and freedom to make a mockery of anything I please, in the spirit of shytes and giggles, of course. A good friend of mine is Jewish. A great guy, as are most all Jews I have met. And a millionaire. Last time we went for beers in Thailand I payed for my Guinnesses. What a Jew!  |
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Khunopie

Joined: 21 Oct 2003 Location: Fucking, Austria (pronounced "Fooking")
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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 12:04 am Post subject: |
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great hair, and I admire the way so many of them go hiking at the weekends, especially the middle aged couples. Most people I know that age back home spend their saturdays shopping, mowing the lawn, washing the car, or lounging around- here you'll have crowds of 50 year olds enjoying the fresh air and scenery.
What other people have said about the industriousness and hard work too, people selling rice cakes to cars stuck in a traffic jam, office chairs in a highway layby, picking berries from common land at the side of the river, halmonies with baskets of ginseng on the stairs of the subway etc. |
That industriousness comes from need due to a lack of a social safety net. Go to Thailand and Vietnam and you see desparately poor and elderly people selling things to scrape by. Put these people in Amsterdam and they'd be living off welfare and eating spacecakes like the rest of us, errrr them. |
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skinsk05
Joined: 09 Mar 2005 Location: Jeonju
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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 2:13 am Post subject: |
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I loved to play hide and seek with my brother in the clothing racks in department stores, I would've had a field day in Seoul. Too much sugar aside (and certainly not a Korean-initiated problem), I admire that Koreans let their children be children. I'm glad they don't just buy them every consumer item or game they want, that they take them outside, that the mothers fawn over them. . . well, until the rigors of MS arrive. Now that I'm an aunt, I appreciate my 2 1/2 year old nephew's curiosity, propensity to burst out in song (and occasionally melt-down! It's hard being two and sometimes whether it's mama or omah, they just have to get out some fear or frustration; some of us just fume online, n'est pas?), and that tireless energy. Yes, it would be easier to park him in front of a TV than to answer all his questions, throw pinecones at a bush for 20 minutes, or let him run around and burn off the access energy/sugar, but I admire that Koreans encourage the children, and don't berate them when they can't control their emotions. . .
Too bad your dining experience is ruined. I've never witnessed this in a nice restaurant and if you let it bother you in typical Korean restaurants or fast food (with their usual dignity), it will. If you must, though, there's still something to do: I often smile at the family, and approach the toddler/elementary child and use my best Korean to introduce myself. . . usually, that stops 'em dead. . . you might even be invited to join them.
In other words-- LOOK at their CHILD as the precious individual he or she is!! Forget that the world revolves around you and pay attention! You are unlikely to change other people, so start where you can. Ask yourself, "Why do I let this bother me?" and try from there to change your perspective. And then forgive yourself for being human, smile, and greet the next family!
Im afraid i too have to "break with the magical chummy spirit" of this thread for just a moment to point the fact that this has affected to me on THREE seperate occasions in restaurants here, each time almost completely disrupting and, in effect, ruining my meal. Its what ive found to be the SINGLE most annoying aspect of going out to eat in Korea. Im glad somebody else finnally pointed out how much of an aggrivation this is when it happens. |
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VanIslander

Joined: 18 Aug 2003 Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 3:38 am Post subject: |
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| Loyalty: my finace stands by me, and there is no doubt in my mind that he will ever waver. |
Loyalty to friends, yes, I've said as much.
But the sexual fidelity of Korean men to their wives is almost nonexistent.
You either have a typical face-saving liar or else one of the few exceptions to the rule.
You obviously have reason to believe he is exceptional! Keep him then!
But you should know,... It is not a typical trait of Korean men, by every indication (which we've discussed at length elsewhere). |
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canadian_in_korea
Joined: 20 Jun 2004 Location: South Korea
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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 4:45 am Post subject: |
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Just as a side note....my husband and I talked about the "loyalty" of korean men also ...after I questioned him about all these things I heard about Korean men having affairs. Personally I believe it is the person involved...where they are from has nothing to do with it. He did say that the early 30ish generation of korean men aren't following in this "behaviour"....apparently it is the 40ish+ that are notorious for having affairs. Why? Well apparently they are bored....have no time for golf and such things..... ...anyway...I'm sure there are younger men having affairs in Korea just like every other country, but you have to judge everyone as an individual....if you have no trust there can be no relationship. It would be interesting to see how many women have been cheated on by a western man....but we can't go around saying all western men cheat...because they don't. |
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periwinkle
Joined: 08 Feb 2003
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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, my fiance is the exception to the rule regarding fidelity, but I meant family loyalty. He has an intense sense of responsibility toward me, and he worries about me like a mother hen-it's really cute. For instance, I recently had an ear infection, so I had to see an ear specialist. I've seen the doctor before, and I function quite well will my broken Korean when I'm out and about. Anyway, he really, really wanted to come with me and be my translator (he would have had to leave work to do so, and I want us to stay under the radar since we work together, so I insisted he stay at work. He reluctantly agreed).
I've noticed this tendency to be overprotective quite a bit with Korean guys, in general. Another example is that when I took my current job, I had to have a full medical exam, including a dental exam. My supervisor insisted he stay in the dentist's exam room with me, even though I was a little embarrassed- he thought I needed him (I didn't). I have a feeling it's because the guys see me as a foreigner as being a bit helpless (I think I'm pretty independent), so they want to take care of me. I think it's really endearing. |
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Khunopie

Joined: 21 Oct 2003 Location: Fucking, Austria (pronounced "Fooking")
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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 9:41 am Post subject: |
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Yes, my fiance is the exception to the rule regarding fidelity, but I meant family loyalty. He has an intense sense of responsibility toward me, and he worries about me like a mother hen-it's really cute. For instance, I recently had an ear infection, so I had to see an ear specialist. I've seen the doctor before, and I function quite well will my broken Korean when I'm out and about. Anyway, he really, really wanted to come with me and be my translator (he would have had to leave work to do so, and I want us to stay under the radar since we work together, so I insisted he stay at work. He reluctantly agreed).
I've noticed this tendency to be overprotective quite a bit with Korean guys, in general. Another example is that when I took my current job, I had to have a full medical exam, including a dental exam. My supervisor insisted he stay in the dentist's exam room with me, even though I was a little embarrassed- he thought I needed him (I didn't). I have a feeling it's because the guys see me as a foreigner as being a bit helpless (I think I'm pretty independent), so they want to take care of me. I think it's really endearing. |
hahahahaha
girlfriend, when you catch him porking another chick in a singing room or he has shmeg on his collar and you mistake it for gravy. 2 f'in funny. day han mean gook. And when he uses your dog as a hacky sack again, run fast my yoda... to the sky..... |
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Kimchieluver

Joined: 02 Mar 2005
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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 10:07 am Post subject: |
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| I too admire their philosophy of "let children be children". Especially when you are getting out of an elevator and you get stampeded by them and their parents are so kind to hold the up button so the doors don't close on you after the blitzkreig is over. |
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peony

Joined: 30 Mar 2005
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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 11:02 am Post subject: |
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on subways, it's happened a few times, when i'm standing holding a few bags, and an ajumma that's sitting in front of me will take my bags and put it on her lap or on the floor by her legs so i wont be burdened during the ride by my packages. i was really touched on those occasions and shocked cuz that will never happen in the states.
if you think kids are rowdy in korea, i've seen the same or much worse everywhere else. i've seen little kids run around like little maniacs in malls or fast food joints, screaming their heads off and the mom calmly watching them from a bench or table, oblivious to the fact that their kids are creating a disruption in a public place. kids are kids no matter where you go. |
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Cedar
Joined: 11 Mar 2003 Location: In front of my computer, again.
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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 2:42 pm Post subject: |
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hahahahaha
girlfriend, when you catch him porking another chick in a singing room or he has shmeg on his collar and you mistake it for gravy. 2 f'in funny. day han mean gook. And when he uses your dog as a hacky sack again, run fast my yoda... to the sky..... |
Wow, you're such a sweet guy, I wonder why these women you are dissing have boyfriends/husbands and you are alone! Dang, have they no taste? Instead of the guy they got, who they believe is there for them all the way, they should have waited until they could find some bitter misplaced from Thailand guy who thinks it's okay to say nasty things about another person (he's never met) simply because they happen to be Korean... |
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periwinkle
Joined: 08 Feb 2003
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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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| I think he's got a sense of humor- I know he's been misunderstood before in other posts! BTW- the dog-murderer is LONG gone. My fiance is nice to my dogs, although he refuses to live with the Shar-Pei (see avatar). Ah- the sacrificies I make for love... |
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