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gypsyfish
Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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 Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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| R. S. Refugee wrote: |
| redbird wrote: |
I can verify that this is true in Texas, too. Despite the "Red States of America" insult above, "Miz" is heard more often in the south than in the North IMO. |
But truly, we all realize that it is heard so much in the South because that is the southern pronuniciation of "Mrs.," is it not?
Regarding my characterization of the RSA, I didn't mean everyone in Texas, of course. Jim Hightower and Molly Ivins are two of my favorite people and they're both native Texans currently living in Austin. I used to live in Austin myself.   |
No, it's not just the pronunciation of Mrs. When I was a boy, many moons ago, we used it indiscriminately with married and single women. |
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R. S. Refugee
Joined: 29 Sep 2004
Location: Shangra La, ROK
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| Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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| gypsyfish wrote: |
| R. S. Refugee wrote: |
| redbird wrote: |
I can verify that this is true in Texas, too. Despite the "Red States of America" insult above, "Miz" is heard more often in the south than in the North IMO. |
But truly, we all realize that it is heard so much in the South because that is the southern pronuniciation of "Mrs.," is it not?
Regarding my characterization of the RSA, I didn't mean everyone in Texas, of course. Jim Hightower and Molly Ivins are two of my favorite people and they're both native Texans currently living in Austin. I used to live in Austin myself. |
No, it's not just the pronunciation of Mrs. When I was a boy, many moons ago, we used it indiscriminately with married and single women. |
So, if I understand you correctly, women during that period had achieved parity with men on this issue as it pertains to the spoken (though probably not the written) title. I guess the next question is, since southern women, if one were to generalize, tend to denigrate feminism (I could be wrong about this; I'm sure someone will correct if that's so), did they change their pronunciation to differentiate between the married title and the single title once the "Ms." issue came along so that they could clearly demonstrate that they didn't approve of feminists? |
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paperbag princess
Joined: 07 Mar 2004
Location: veggie hell
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| Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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| i like the term ms. it's cooler. i'll always use it. but if someone else wants to use miss/mrs that's fine with me. |
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squat toilet
Joined: 08 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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| paperbag princess wrote: |
| i like the term ms. it's cooler. i'll always use it. but if someone else wants to use miss/mrs that's fine with me. |
Mademoiselle is even cooler
For me it's "Mr.Toilet" during work hours and "Squatty" after 7pm |
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gypsyfish
Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 2:11 am Post subject: |
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[quote="R. S. Refugee"]
| gypsyfish wrote: |
| R. S. Refugee wrote: |
| No, it's not just the pronunciation of Mrs. When I was a boy, many moons ago, we used it indiscriminately with married and single women. |
So, if I understand you correctly, women during that period had achieved parity with men on this issue as it pertains to the spoken (though probably not the written) title. I guess the next question is, since southern women, if one were to generalize, tend to denigrate feminism (I could be wrong about this; I'm sure someone will correct if that's so), did they change their pronunciation to differentiate between the married title and the single title once the "Ms." issue came along so that they could clearly demonstrate that they didn't approve of feminists? |
All I'm talking about is how we orally addressed women. Married or single, it sounded like Miz.
It wasn't a political expression; it was a dialectical or regional way of speaking. (I reckon Yankees would see it as southern laziness. )
Written, the correct spelling was used depending on marital status. I can't speak to whether Southern women denigrate feminisim - some of my mother's friends do, most of my friends (in their forties) don't - but nobody ever jumped down my throat for saying Miz. It has happened when I called a married woman Miss, but never for using the Miz pronunciation. |
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margaret
Joined: 14 Oct 2003
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| Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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I've never heard anyone use ms in over 34 years of life on this planet. I really don't see that it is important.[/quote]
Where are you from? I hear it most of the time in the U. S. when the speaker is unsure of a woman's marital status.
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