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Dispatched
Joined: 08 May 2004
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| so you're saying every time you want to get through or around something or someone you just wait around so you don't bother them? please! you'd never get anywhere! and i don't think this issue was about "my right" to walk up the escalator, it was about her being a rude *beep*. |
I pretty confident if you stand on as escalator you will infact get somewhere, they by design, move you from one place to another.
Yes, she was a rude *beep*. You were totally in the right and she was totally in the wrong. My point is relax, chill out, you were obviously so outraged by this blatant rudeness that you had to share it with the internet community. Do you also get upset when people don't say please and thankyou? When people hand you money with just the one hand?
Like I said, don't sweat the small stuff...
*wonders if this post will also set ya bells a-ringin'.* |
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harri2002
Joined: 17 Jul 2003
Location: Earth
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| Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 11:50 am Post subject: |
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Actually now that I'm here in Korea I can experience "Korean rudness" as descibed by some posters here. And guess what Koreans aren't as rude as I'd imagined them to be. Yes, there are some pushing on the streets but hey, they push in the crowded mall I worked at too back in southern cali. And every single Korean that pushed me or came in contact with me said excuse me in Korean. Are you sure you guys understand Korean? 
Yesterday, we were at a crowded (I mean CROWDED) food court at Shinsegae and we couldn't find a table. Well, these two women offered to share their table with us. We were a party of three and so there were five of us sitting at a table for four. And these two women didn't have any ulterior motives either; they just left us alone. I noticed other people doing the same thing too. Unlike us - we just stood around until someone offered to share a table - most people just walked up to a table if only one or two people were using it and sat themselves down and the original occupants didn't mind at all. This would have been rude back in Cali but Koreans don't mind if a stranger sits at their table in a crowded food court. |
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sistersarah
Joined: 03 Jan 2004
Location: hiding out
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| Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, she was a rude *beep*. You were totally in the right and she was totally in the wrong. My point is relax, chill out, you were obviously so outraged by this blatant rudeness that you had to share it with the internet community. Do you also get upset when people don't say please and thankyou? When people hand you money with just the one hand?
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yeah, i know i was right.
if you knew me, you'd know I am a pretty laid back, quiet, tolerant person. this incident did get me very angry, enough that i felt like posting about it on daves. is there something wrong with that? i've seen a lot of posts comlplaining about a lot stupider, more trivial things. |
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chronicpride
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, she was a rude *beep*. You were totally in the right and she was totally in the wrong. My point is relax, chill out, you were obviously so outraged by this blatant rudeness that you had to share it with the internet community. Do you also get upset when people don't say please and thankyou? When people hand you money with just the one hand?
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yeah, i know i was right.
if you knew me, you'd know I am a pretty laid back, quiet, tolerant person. this incident did get me very angry, enough that i felt like posting about it on daves. is there something wrong with that? i've seen a lot of posts comlplaining about a lot stupider, more trivial things. |
Agreed. On a board known for it's petty whining about the dumbest of things, I don't know why this is being singled out. If she was griping about the same situation and behavior elicited from a Korean, this thread would on its 7th page of bandwagon, pissy grumblings.
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| Yes she was rude and a bit of a *beep* but then maybe she was having a bad day, maybe she has a bad hip, |
Jesus Christ, I don't think I've ever heard anyone on here say something like 'relax, maybe that Korean was just having a bad day.' But god forbid should someone utter a peep about rudeness from a foreigner. And Sarah used a helluva lot more tact when writing about it vs. the discriminatory diatribes that are so prevalent here, when talking about Koreans who display similar behavior.
If you want to take on the role of being the resident Dale Carnegie on here, you've got your work cut out for you. And you can start by riding your high horse on over to the innumberable amount of posts of petty griping about Koreans, and mop up all of those messes. |
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DrewAgain
Joined: 07 Dec 2004
Location: Canada
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| Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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| The rush to get on and off subways, a Korean thing. |
It happens in Rome too. Probably something to do with the fact that if you don't rush your way into the subway amongst the hoardes, you don't get in; and if you don't rush your way out of the subway, you don't get out. Since it happens in Rome, is this also an Italian thing? Maybe it's just a crowded thing. |
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Dispatched
Joined: 08 May 2004
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| Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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Hahaha, relax people. I forgot Daves is a place to vent whatever minor frustrations they have... no matter how trivial, bordering on the mundane.
I stand by my initial advice, chill out don't let it get to you.
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| If you want to take on the role of being the resident Dale Carnegie on here, you've got your work cut out for you. And you can start by riding your high horse on over to the innumberable amount of posts of petty griping about Koreans, and mop up all of those messes. |
Thanks, I would but reading threads about 'bad' Korean behaviour gets a tad boring. You seem to have a lot to say about nothing, you do it... oh wait you already do *yawn*
I guess when I enter a thread titled, 'rude, rude people....not koreans' I kinda expect something a little more cutting. My initial sentiment was 'don't let it get to you', you seem to have missed that, so whatever, knock yaself out. |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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I agree that many foreigners have no manners here- and they know better.
By contrast much of the korean type bad behavior we would call ignorant is down to simple cultural difference: its normal and acceptable to them.
Its always good to me to overhear Korean ajummas saying how well behaved the foreigner is when i give up my seat for them on the subway- you even hear them commenting that "Korean people don't do that".
Day-to day good behavior on our part is needed at this time- to counteract the whole anti-foreigner propoganda being spouted daily in the media. |
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chronicpride
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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| rapier wrote: |
By contrast much of the korean type bad behavior we would call ignorant is down to simple cultural difference: its normal and acceptable to them.
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In some respects, yes. But don't also forget that Koreans are people, too, who deal with the same life issues, depression, chemical imbalances, what have you, as we do. And just because one might be seeing bad behavior from a Korean, should not rule out that they might be just simply grumpy. Many foreigners tend to think that a constantly grumpy Korean suddenly must be interpreted as racist and discriminatory, when ever he/she is in the presence of a foreigner, but when they walk off and elicit the exact same behavior and attitude to a fellow Korean, the foreigner thinks that's totally different for some reason.  We're dealing with a lot of subjective deduction most of the time, on what constitutes ignorant or rude behavior. |
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Konundrum
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Boston
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| Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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Funny thing...I live in an area of Boston some call "Korean Alley" and I'll tell you what...many are MILES more polite than your average Bostonian. They say "excuse me" when they try to get by and "thank you" when you hold the door for them. They don't push to get on or off the subway and give up their seats when an elderly person gets on.
THe dude at the Korean grocery store (really cool store...could be on any corner in Seoul...even has Shin Ramyun and o-jing-o) is funny and always chats me up in Korean now that he knows I know a little.
You want rude and racist? Go down to the Russian grocery store. |
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Cedar
Joined: 11 Mar 2003
Location: In front of my computer, again.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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| I would have said "excuse me", too. I wouldn't have been able to predict it would leave a bad feeling in my mouth since most people would have stepped out of my way politely. I can't imagine a Korean (who wasn't a drunk ajoshi with a chip on his shoulder) saying something snarky if you said "jwaesonghamnida" in order to get past. |
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jajdude
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 8:35 am Post subject: |
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| The rush to get on and off subways, a Korean thing. |
It happens in Rome too. Probably something to do with the fact that if you don't rush your way into the subway amongst the hoardes, you don't get in; and if you don't rush your way out of the subway, you don't get out. Since it happens in Rome, is this also an Italian thing? Maybe it's just a crowded thing. |
Ok, a Korean and an Italian thing, and maybe a dozen other countries thing. Still not a crowded thing if it happens in some crowded places but not others. It's the people and their attitudes toward each other that makes their behavior what it is, not how full or empty the place is.
That said, however, I can understand that everyone must act the same way because everyone is acting the same way! Being civil just won't work in these situations because no one else is. But it seems to work for Japan. Ah, culture. What a mess. |
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SuperFly
Joined: 09 Jul 2003
Location: In the doghouse
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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| >. Rude people come in all colours, shapes & sizes. |
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