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wwidgirl
Joined: 20 Mar 2005
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| guangho wrote: |
You could come here on a one year contract, see what your preference is, and if you want to, quit the haggie after a month or two to strike out on your own. Now if you'll excuse me I'm off to discover my f-4 eligible Korean heritage.  |
Hey Guangho,
Thank you for your advice, however, I feel uncomfortable signing a year contract and bailing on the school that hired me unless the conditions are unbearable, so I'd like to get an idea of what to expect in either situation before I make any binding commitments.
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wwidgirl
Joined: 20 Mar 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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I'm pretty sure about the f4 visa.
I really appreciate the input everyone has contributed to this thread.
I already have a place to live in Korea for a few months (relatives).
I'm torn about this. Both have their advantages and disadvantages.... |
you're exactly right there. One question i'd ask though is... are you ready to teach?
You've stated not knowing "where to start" and that maybe a hogwon would give you the xp you need. Well, I think maybe you are partially right. It may be good for you to get some xp before charging $50 an hour. 
*this is not to sound cold but it someimes irks me when people think they can just walk into a job and do it well. Too many times Korans pay for a good education and do not receive one. It's good think think about yourself but I also try to think about what is best for the students. |
While I understand your ire with people who believe teaching is easy, I think I'm ready to teach. I used to teach piano for some extra money when I was younger and I enjoyed doing it. I know that teaching piano in Canada and teaching English in Korea aren't totally analogous but I think they're similar enough to get a taste of what teaching in Korea will be like.
I definitely want to give any students i acquire their money's worth and one of the reasons I'm asking for advice here is to learn how to better teach English. |
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Homer
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 3:10 am Post subject: |
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| this is not to sound cold but it someimes irks me when people think they can just walk into a job and do it well. Too many times Korans pay for a good education and do not receive one. It's good think think about yourself but I also try to think about what is best for the students. |
Well said Captain!
To the OP, you should indeed consider how much experience you have (none it seems) and the kind of service you will be able to provide to your pvt students.
Also, to those who advise taking a hakwon job and then quitting after a month just to save you the airfare, that is just the type of "teacher" you wish to avoid as far as advice is concerned. |
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guangho
Joined: 19 Jan 2005
Location: a spot full of deception, stupidity, and public micturation and thus unfit for longterm residency
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 5:53 am Post subject: |
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| Don't quit to save you airfare. Quit if you think that you would do better, emotionally, financially, etc. on your own. You may find that this isn't the case. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 6:12 am Post subject: |
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| wwidgirl wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
| wwidgirl wrote: |
I'm pretty sure about the f4 visa.
I really appreciate the input everyone has contributed to this thread.
I already have a place to live in Korea for a few months (relatives).
I'm torn about this. Both have their advantages and disadvantages.... |
you're exactly right there. One question i'd ask though is... are you ready to teach?
You've stated not knowing "where to start" and that maybe a hogwon would give you the xp you need. Well, I think maybe you are partially right. It may be good for you to get some xp before charging $50 an hour.
*this is not to sound cold but it someimes irks me when people think they can just walk into a job and do it well. Too many times Korans pay for a good education and do not receive one. It's good think think about yourself but I also try to think about what is best for the students. |
While I understand your ire with people who believe teaching is easy, I think I'm ready to teach. I used to teach piano for some extra money when I was younger and I enjoyed doing it. I know that teaching piano in Canada and teaching English in Korea aren't totally analogous but I think they're similar enough to get a taste of what teaching in Korea will be like.
I definitely want to give any students i acquire their money's worth and one of the reasons I'm asking for advice here is to learn how to better teach English. |
i think this may have come off wrong, as an attack on you. It sounds (from your writings here) that you are concerned with the effort and quality of service you give your potential students.
I wish you luck and my advice would be to find a good hogwon job and learn how to teach english to Koreans there.
I brought up the point of "walking into a teaching job and making $50" because of late i have heard far too many people concerned with the money they're making and not the service provided. Personally, I do have a standard, in both areas. I just wish that others would have the same (ok, going to bed before I start to subject ALL OTHERS TO MY WILL!! MUAHAHAHAhaha) |
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Gord
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| Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 12:47 am Post subject: |
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| wwidgirl wrote: |
| I'm pretty sure about the f4 visa. |
I have it on great authority that you're wrong. An F4 does not permit you to engage doing English lessons for cash.
Not that I'm joining the moral crusade against the act as the likelyhood anyone is going to care enough to land you in the pokey is exceptionally remote, but just telling you what the deal is. |
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just because
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I'll back up what Gord said,
An F4 visa doesn't allow you to do privates, heck Koreans aren't even legal to do privates without declaring the income and even then it is allowed to be a lot. |
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ulsanchris
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| I think you would have a hard time getting privates if you have no experience teaching. YOu might want to get a hakwon gig. Also the only people who can legally do privates are university students. to help out with the cost of going to uni. the gov't doesn't like anyone else doing privates cause they avoid paying taxes/. |
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wwidgirl
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| Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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| So what you're saying is that I couldn't apply for those part time and private jobs posted on work n play??????? this might pose a problem. |
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Homer
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| Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 2:06 am Post subject: |
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wwidgirl,
Those jobs are mostly illegal privates... 
It's pretty simple really, no work visa = illegal work (for most).
To my knowledge (I could be wrong) part-time jobs do not usually bother with the visa process and pvt lessons definitively do not. |
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wwidgirl
Joined: 20 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 4:19 am Post subject: |
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| Homer wrote: |
wwidgirl,
Those jobs are mostly illegal privates...
It's pretty simple really, no work visa = illegal work (for most).
To my knowledge (I could be wrong) part-time jobs do not usually bother with the visa process and pvt lessons definitively do not. |
I thought the f4 was a work visa(??????) If it is true that one cannot work on an f4 visa, there sure is a lot of misinformation going around. Can anyone give me a link or something that provides more authoritative information? |
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T-dot
Joined: 16 May 2004
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| Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 4:39 am Post subject: |
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You can work the part-time gigs on an F4 Visa. Just cant do privates, legally.
The pt gigs that are advertised are either privates or actual pt in a hagwon, company etc. |
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kangnamdragon
Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Kangnam, Seoul, Korea
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| Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 5:09 am Post subject: |
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| wwidgirl wrote: |
I'm pretty sure about the f4 visa.
I really appreciate the input everyone has contributed to this thread.
I already have a place to live in Korea for a few months (relatives).
I'm torn about this. Both have their advantages and disadvantages.... |
No, are you sure teaching privates is legal with an F-4 visa? Private lessons are illegal. It does not matter if you are Korean or not.
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| Homer wrote: |
wwidgirl,
Those jobs are mostly illegal privates...
It's pretty simple really, no work visa = illegal work (for most).
To my knowledge (I could be wrong) part-time jobs do not usually bother with the visa process and pvt lessons definitively do not. |
I thought the f4 was a work visa(??????) If it is true that one cannot work on an f4 visa, there sure is a lot of misinformation going around. Can anyone give me a link or something that provides more authoritative information? |
Yes, you can work with an F4 visa. You just cannot do illegal work. Can you work legally as a prostitute where you are from?
Private lessons are illegal for everyone, with few exceptions. |
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wwidgirl
Joined: 20 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 6:03 am Post subject: |
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Yes, you can work with an F4 visa. You just cannot do illegal work. Can you work legally as a prostitute where you are from?
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Ahhh.. IC IC.
Although, as an aside, prostitution is legal in Canada. it's the solicitation that's illegal. |
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Homer
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| Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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wwidgirl...sorry..
You can teach part time on a F-4.
However you cannot teach privates as they are illegal (I asked my wife's sister who works for the ministry of education here).
Pvts remain illegal.
Part-time jobs are open to you with an F-4 but they will be in a school and hence with a contract.
These jobs will earn you no airfare and more often the not no free accomodations.
Best of luck. |
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