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We are supposed to make them behave by being their friends
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chiaa



Joined: 23 Aug 2003

PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 7:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rapier wrote:
Like Chiaa I enjoy teaching kindergarten. They are much easier to mould into good behavior patterns and their minds are that much more open to learning. Also their enthusiasm is fun.

Alas, the older kids are corrupted and rebellious- its usually too late to try and instil a positive attitude in them, particularly if they've had years of "please the customer" type hagwon education.
With discipline you can only go as far as the system and your director, allows. Often, they allow zero.

You all seem to be instructing Yubumsuk to do such simple measures as "Make them stand in the corner" etc. But what if the student refuses to do even that? And what if after taking them to the wonjangnim, they return smiling because the director has given them candy/sympathised with them/ told them to say hi to dear mom and pop, and can they send that cheque soon?

Not all schools allow even smacking a kids hand: they're too afraid oof pis*ing their precious customers off.
The kids/parents run the hagwons. FACT.

-never mind the lack of morale/energy required to maintain disciplined, focussed, enthusiastic lessons if you are tired out from doing massive overtime everyday to cover for yet another western loser who has just done a runner..


I didnt enjoy teaching the kindies. I was good at it, but didnt enjoy it. In fact, I got really burned out teaching. Thus, bookstore.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All the talk of kindergarten seems quite appropriate for this class as it's just like teaching 5' to 5'5" kindie kids. Re: kindergarten I appreciate all of Chiaa's suggestions and might try a few, but I'm down to one kindie class now and can live with the fact that I'm opperating at about 20% effectiveness versus what someone like Chiaa could probably do with them. I enjoy the challenge in most of my more advanced (I should say relatively advanced) classes, but this one in particular is a perfect example of what happens when parents have for years been sent BS report cards about how well their kids are learning when the kids have just been using hogwan as the one hour of the day they have to goof off.
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guangho



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When dealing with Korean kids (and Koreans in general) just remember to subtract 5 years from their chronological age to determine their psychological age.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

guangho wrote:
When dealing with Korean kids (and Koreans in general) just remember to subtract 5 years from their chronological age to determine their psychological age.


In the case of this one 15-year-old I'm not sure that I've ever seen a 10-year-old act quite like she does. And she has five more years of learning that no matter what she does the director will send home good reports and that no matter what she does in the foreign teacher's class she'll never be punished. That could change... we'll see.
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