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W.T.Carl
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 6:03 am Post subject: |
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| Under threat? Get out of the city you urban knucklehead and see for yourself. |
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Dr. Buck

Joined: 02 Mar 2003 Location: Land of the Morning Clam
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Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 6:17 am Post subject: |
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A few things:
buddy bradley: The birds you can hunt on Jeju Island are ring-necked pheasants. Also, you hunt them with shotguns, not rifles--a matter of two entirely different firearms.
The poster "burnin rubber" is correct in this statement:
"Be prepared to pay a lot though, I thought about shooting at Lotte World one time but the bullets are damned expensive."
Hunting on the Daeyoo property is expensive. Although I cannot remember the exact rates when I was there three years ago, their pricing scheme was enough to make me shrug with great cynicism. The shotguns they provide are beat-up, nicked, scratched, and crappy. You are "guided" with some dude along with some spastic looking pointers. For myself, that is not cool. I've hunted my whole life and don't need my hand held. The whole arrangement down there is for Japanese tourists or curious Koreans that want to play hunting for a day.
Rapier is very correct with this statement:
"The average macho man who just wants to kill something is an idiot...however, many such people actually start to appreciate what they are hunting and thereafter become enthusiastic conservationists."
The comment posted by coolsage is banal and retarded:
"So, as a vistor in this land, you think that you can feel free to shoot down any migratory bird that appears in your general direction? Do you have any sense of the fragile state of the wild bird population in this country?"
Actually it is not that easy. First you must get a shotgun in a country where firearms are strictly regulated and then you must get a license, and that would be in Korean. Also, the game of choice are ring-necked pheasants. They are not migratory. Also, most ethical hunters have a much higher sense of the state of wild bird populations than most arm chair environmentalists.
Bobster's comments of tough guy tiger hunting and macho b.s. simply shows how ignorant he is about wildlife and the nature of hunting and the issues that surround it.
After all that has been said:
Give hunting in Korea a pass. It's simply not worth it. The wildlife conservation policies are primitive and poaching is rampant. If you're a hunter with solid ethics and honor, you'll be more interested in setting the firearm down and looking to figure out ways to help Korean wildlife. If you're from Canada/USA--hunt there because wildlife regulations are very strict and well-regulated and there are armies of wildlife biologists that are constantly monitoring the populations of game animals. |
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The Bobster

Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 6:25 am Post subject: |
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| W.T.Carl wrote: |
| Anyway, what does killling tigers have to do with wingshoot pheasant, which by the way, are quite excellent to eat and not an endangered animal? |
Hey, sorry, I honestly didn't realize that you were killing the birds because you were hungry. Once or twice before you made it sound like you did it just for fun. Excuse me for my dumb mistake. PM your address to me and I think my gf will enjoy making a plate of mandu or a big bowl of sundubu chiggae to keep you and your family going until you can find a job that pays you well enough to be able to provide for your family.
Whatever the neocons have been telling you since the Reagan administration, it's still true as it was in Ben Frankilin's day " No crime to be poor, but a sin to be ashamed of it." |
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W.T.Carl
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 7:29 am Post subject: |
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Read the previous post. I am sure that it cost tons of won to do any shooting in Korea. That is unless you are an AFK member, which I was when I did my hunting in the ROK.
And as for having a decent job, why don't you and others of your ilk go back to Canada and starve. I'm sure that you can get a suitable job in the fast food industry. |
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burnin rubber
Joined: 16 Feb 2005
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Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 8:17 am Post subject: |
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W.T.,
Don't let that dud get you. Most people who condemn hunting are the types who have never done it. A lot of people think that it's just a bunch of redneck assholes going out popping off rounds, but actually it's different. |
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The Bobster

Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 8:29 am Post subject: |
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| W.T.Carl wrote: |
| Read the previous post. I am sure that it cost tons of won to do any shooting in Korea. That is unless you are an AFK member, which I was when I did my hunting in the ROK. |
Look, Carl, I know I'm being a jerk, but why not just explain why killing a creature with an explosive-propelled piece of metal, a creature that could never harm you or become a threat to you, a creature that is both weaker than you are possibly even far more beautiful, and by doing so lessing to at least some small degree the beauty that exists in the world, why taking the life and eating the flesh that you yourself do not require ... is fun? Or even worthy of rspect?
Go ahead anf give it a, er, shot, just try and do that and hey, you'll have put one over on The Bobster, fine and cool.
And don't feel too bad. Last time I came around this particular I talked about how much I enjoy smoking cigarettes, yes, really enjoy it, and never really found out if I'm addicted because I never really tried to quit, I like it so much ... and no, that didn't make anyone happy to hear about - but I did articulate the whys and wherefores adequately enough, for all that.
So why not you tell us why it's so much fun to kill something for no damn good reason at all, eh?
Haven't been to Canada since I was 7 years old. I hear it gets cold there, and that destroys some of its interest value for me ... |
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kermo

Joined: 01 Sep 2004 Location: Eating eggs, with a comb, out of a shoe.
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Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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| tommynomad wrote: |
| Brace yourself for Rapier, Kermo and/or Gwangjuchicken in 5....4....3.... |
Oy!
Where is that chicken, anyway?
I don't have a strong position on hunting, and the only reason I'm responding is because apparently I'm expected to. Not a fan of hunting for trophies, but don't see a problem with killing for adventure and snacks, as long as it's ecologically sustainable. I'd much prefer that people in general bagged their own meat as opposed to letting the factory farms do it for them. |
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W.T.Carl
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 5:39 am Post subject: |
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| Everything I shoot, with the exception of fox and coyotes, I eat. I would never hunt anything that it endangered. Nor would I hunt for a mere trophy. |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 7:01 am Post subject: |
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| W.T.Carl wrote: |
| Under threat? Get out of the city you urban knucklehead and see for yourself. |
I get out of the city every weekend, and have travelled all over south Korea looking for birds and catalogueing any areas of wildife value for to put out on the internet.
Yes, there is still a good diversity of species in Korea- but often the most valuable places they need to live are invariably in the process of being built on, drained, concreted, opened to tourism, converted into golf courses, mudflats reclaimed for building or dams.
Saemangeum, Asan bay, anyang bay, Haenam, Seosan are just some of a long list of areas under devastating construction projects, or planned for destruction.
Virtually every tidal mudflat on the west coast of Korea has already been barraged, or has plans to reclaim it underway. These areas support internationally important concentrations of shorebirds that qualify for protection under international RAMSAR/ CITES criteria, yet Korea doesn't care because the environmental lobby in this country cannot as yet hope to match the all powerful construction industry.
Birds do not live in the sky and feed on air. they land, and need places to nest and feed. Diverse habitats, not just immature woodland that Korea features. Yes, korea has planty of forested hills with pheasants to shoot, but woods are only one habitat of many, and support a small diversity when compared to coastal wetlands ( cheap building land).
I urge you to join the only conservation group most actively trying to protect birds and their habitats in Korea: "Birds Korea'. On this site you will see some of my photos, reports and so on:
http://birdskorea.org/index.asp
And here is the membership page;
http://birdskorea.org/birdskoreamembership.asp
-more members are needed to propose ill-thought development that takes place without environmental impact assessments- and threatens the long term existence of many species. |
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W.T.Carl
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 8:45 am Post subject: |
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| You see the Korea of today. I see the Korea of today and remember the Korea of the 1970's. Immmature forrest? Hardly. When Park Chung Hee took over, he issued an order that prohibited the cutting of ANY trees. South Korea is reforrested and 30 years is more than long enough to grow a "mature" woodland. I will admit there is serious damage to a place like the Han River Valley, and other places, but these are not all of Korea. |
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Pligganease

Joined: 14 Sep 2004 Location: The deep south...
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Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 9:16 am Post subject: |
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I'm from the southern U.S., and before anything terrible is said about our affinity for firearms let me say this...
Most hunters, real hunters, that is, have an unspoken rule that basically states, "Don't shoot anything that you can't eat or make into clothing."
People that kill things they can't use have no respect for the hunt or the prey. They basically enjoy using a gun to say, "Hey, I'm more civilized than that (Insert animal name here).
The same rule generally applies to fishing, as well. I've killed many animals, and killed many birds. But, I only killed edible game and fowl (i.e. quail, turkeys, ducks, deer, turtle, frogs, squirrel, etc.).
I wouldn't enjoy shooting something that I couldn't cook afterwards...
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coolsage
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: The overcast afternoon of the soul
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Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 5:35 am Post subject: |
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| W.T.Carl wrote: |
| You see the Korea of today. I see the Korea of today and remember the Korea of the 1970's. Immmature forrest? Hardly. When Park Chung Hee took over, he issued an order that prohibited the cutting of ANY trees. South Korea is reforrested and 30 years is more than long enough to grow a "mature" woodland. I will admit there is serious damage to a place like the Han River Valley, and other places, but these are not all of Korea. |
Claptrap. Thirty years is enough to grow a tree farm, not a forest, with all the interdependent species that develop over time. Have you strolled through these 'mature woodlands'? I have; apart from the trees themselves, there's scarcely a squirrel, a frog or a mushroom to be seen: not entirely absent, to be sure, but exceedingly thin on the ground. Come back in fifty years, and perhaps by then there'll be a viable ecosystem. (Provided that the locals have stopped demolishing hills and hauling them off to be landfill in the latest global-hub-megaproject.) |
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